Why did they keep bringing back Leeta?
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On one of The Delta Flyers' DS9 episodes, Armin Shimerman mentioned that 'there was always going to be a dabo girl'. The first two were written as characters Jake wanted to get to know, but then along came Chase Masterson and Leeta.
I always liked Leeta! More than just comic relief, she brought some nurturing and humour into the show. Though I will admit, when Leeta and Bashir turned up on Let He Who Is Without Sin, I recall thinking that must be the same feeling as having a friend who's depressed over their divorce...when you'd forgotten they were ever married in the first place.
I always liked Leeta! More than just comic relief, she brought some nurturing and humour into the show. Though I will admit, when Leeta and Bashir turned up on Let He Who Is Without Sin, I recall thinking that must be the same feeling as having a friend who's depressed over their divorce...when you'd forgotten they were ever married in the first place.
Make them recurring crewmembers. Should have been more, anyway, given there were people from three ships on Voyager. (Maquis and Starfleet from Voyager and Equinox.) They did try having a few recurring Maquis in season 2 (Hogan, Jonas, Suder), but they all ended up dead by the end of (produced) season 2. It's one of the reasons why I feel season 2 is underrated overall.
"COLD FIRE" was produced in season 2, not season 1. The holdovers after "LEARNING CURVE" were (in production order) "PROJECTIONS", "ELOGIUM", "TWISTED", and "THE 37's". (Aside from production information, you can tell by the font used for the episode title/guest star credits... season 1 produced episodes used the same font as the main cast credits in the theme. Like the first season of DS9, there were 20 episodes produced. UPN also held over 4 episodes produced in season 2 to be used for season 3, which is part of the reason season 3 had only 22 produced episodes. "SACRED GROUND", "FALSE PROFITS", 'FLASHBACK", and "BASICS, PART II" were produced, in that order, after "BASICS, PART I". The font is the same, but you can tell the difference by the 'Executive Producers' shown at the end of each episode. Season 2 episodes had Michael Piller along with Rick Berman and Jeri Taylor. Piller stepped down and became a 'Creative Consultant' from season 3 until the end.)
I actually liked that Bashir and Leeta's relationship happened offscreen. We know there are a LOT more days and weeks where life continues that we don't see on screen. This helped illustrate that fact.
Wikipedia clearly lists Coldfire as 126... But they go on to say 201 is Timeless, so there's something off here.
"COLD FIRE" is the 26th episode, but it was the 6th produced in season 2. "THE 37's" was the last one produced for season 1.Wikipedia clearly lists Coldfire as 126... But they go on to say 201 is Timeless, so there's something off here.
Regarding "TIMELESS", that is correct. "NOTHING HUMAN" was technically the 100th episode, but UPN clearly preferred having "TIMELESS" pimped out as its 100th episode... which if you count "CARETAKER" as a single episode instead of a pilot split as a two-parter (or ignore the production code of it being 1-2), this CAN be considered true.
Truthfully, as much as I really enjoyed "NOTHING HUMAN" (Jeri Taylor's final script in the show and franchise), "TIMELESS" is a superior episode, and deserves to be aired as the 100th celebration.
The winky face means that "I think I know how I fucked up".
I like Leeta.
OK, she was eye candy and a bit one dimensional.
But still OK in many ways.
Definitely Kes.
Great character with interesting abilities and great potential.
You could throw a dart at a poster with the initial VOY cast and have an 88.889% chance of hitting a reasonable candidate.
Travis. Built up to be one of the most accomplished and knowledgeable human deep space pilots of the mid-22nd century and then used less often than the emergency cheese rations in a fallout shelter.
And he never made a mistake, as far as I could tell.
Broke his leg in an alien cave but other than that pretty much fulfilled every duty asked of him in the series.
At least Uhura is now getting her dues in SNW. Characters like Kes, Travis, Tasha, Troi, Geordi even(not as bad as the others but still could have been so much more)...their potential will remain wasted forever.
Ro is a special case. Apparently they wanted to feature Ro on DS9 (and then on Voyager) but the actress didn't want to commit, so instead we got Kira (one of the best female characters in Berman Trek) and Torres (one of the worst)
Ro is a special case. Apparently they wanted to feature Ro on DS9 (and then on Voyager) but the actress didn't want to commit, so instead we got Kira (one of the best female characters in Berman Trek) and Torres (one of the worst)
Oh, interesting. First time I’m seeing someone saying she’s the worst. What makes you say that? Although not necessarily my favorite character from Voyager, I think B’Elanna is a fascinating character, memorably portrayed by a wonderful actress. It probably helps that she reminds me of women I know in real life. I think if I had to deal with Torres in real life, she’s be a proper pain in the ass, but that doesn’t make her a bad character.
I'm not saying shes "the" worst. Just one of the worst. It's just the general feeling that I have that Voyager characters were fairly flat/uninteresting and that Torres was frequently used just to shove Klingon things into a show that took place half a Galaxy away from any Klingons. I also feel they gave her anger issues solely because she was Half-Klingon. Also not a fan that they made her Klingon make-up so much more subdued than that of K'helyr.
But in general it's nothing personally against Torres. I don't like any of the Voyager characters except for Seven and Kes. I think Torres could have been a better character, just not the way she was written.
Though I did like Torres in that episode where the Doctor made himself a family that worshipped the ground under his feet and Torres gave him a doze of reality. That was awesome haha!
Gotcha. You are right, you didn’t say the worst.
I’ll agree with you insofar as that the way B’Elanna ended up on the screen often worked better than how her character was conceived on paper. Making her angry all the time just because she’s half-Klingon is bit of a lame concept. But overall I think Roxann Dawson made the character more interesting than that, often giving her this insecurity you could sense just beneath the surface. She was a strong-willed, stubborn and tough woman, but that was only her exterior. Ultimately she was one of the characters where you could witness some actual growth over the course of the show. She started out as someone who wasn’t able to control her anger, but ended up as a seasoned, strong-willed leader and led what felt like a rather realistic relationship.
I also gotta say, as someone who loathes Klingon stuff in Trek (especially of the 90s Trek variety), I never thought they overdid it with bringing up her Klingon heritage. If anything, I feel they often portrayed her as someone who very much rolled her eyes at that stuff as well.
I agree, with better material the actress could have portrayed a character that was on a level with some of the best characters in Trek. But unfortunately the writing on Voyager wasn't up to that (imo).
So my impression is that B’Elanna wasn’t angry because of her Klingon nature.
She was angry because of the issues being of mixed heritage caused her.
Partially preconceptions of anything Klingon with her peers, partially family issues and conflicts, maybe bullying during childhood, etc.
And she projected that onto her Klingon half.
Once she became integrated into the crew, formed relationships and felt being accepted she became a lot more relaxed most of the time.
She was angry because of the issues being of mixed heritage caused her.
Partially preconceptions of anything Klingon with her peers, partially family issues and conflicts, maybe bullying during childhood, etc.
And she projected that onto her Klingon half.
Once she became integrated into the crew, formed relationships and felt being accepted she became a lot more relaxed most of the time.
I actually like the Voyager characters. They had great potential.
Unfortunately the potential for some of them was never used or badly used.
And Kes was the most ill-treated of them all.
I also gotta say, as someone who loathes Klingon stuff in Trek (especially of the 90s Trek variety), I never thought they overdid it with bringing up her Klingon heritage. If anything, I feel they often portrayed her as someone who very much rolled her eyes at that stuff as well.
I actually like Klingons!
Especially Gowron who is one of my heroes!
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