Spoilers Variety about the future of Star Trek

[fireproof78]

You literally said "a plot that couldn’t really exist without the memberberries."

I was just trying (failing?) to show it was more than that with obviously poor comparisons.

I did? I don't think I did.


The show has a mix of TNG nostalgia, espeically in the later half, but it also is a story predicated on a mystery box with Jack, and the Changelings. I think that stuff happened. It might not be stuff I fully enjoy, and it feels a bit stuck on the past with the Enterprise D reveal. That part bugs me.

But the plot exists as a mystery box plot just like Season 1, so it clearly could exist. Just not like Red October exists.

 

[Dukhat]

Rayner wasn't thrown in the garbage.

1. Who is Rayner?

2. I think you missed @CorporalClegg ’s point entirely.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

I did? I don't think I did.

Sincerest apologies, that was Firebird, I got the two "Fire" names mixed up. D'oh!

1. Who is Rayner?

2. I think you missed @CorporalClegg ’s point entirely.

I didn't. It was just a joke, though Rayner really is one of the better (Discovery) characters introduced in season 5.

In fact, I do agree with @CorporalClegg, Rios (if that's who he was alluding to) was one of the better characters who I wish wasn't thrown out with the bathwater.

 

[Quinton]

I’ve been miffed over how tossed-aside Laris was since before it even happened - I remember saying I was surprised she even got as little as she did in the third-season premiere - and I’m… guessing that’s who we’re actually talking about here…?

But, yeah. It wasn’t enough to dispel my good time with season 3 when I enjoyed so much else in it.

 

[Daddy Todd]

nobody said a thing back in the 70s, 80s and 90s.

Spoken with the certitude of someone who wasn't there. I was, and there were LOTS of complaints, starting with TAS, about there being too many sequels to TOS episodes. And, perhaps you've never heard TMP referred to as "Where Nomad Has Gone Before".

Do some people like Kirk and Spock more than the ideas of humanity's future?

Google "K/S" sometime. If you dare.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The actual plot could easily have been been kept the same without bringing the TNG actors back. As someone else pointed out, it's Hunt for Red October and Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

It squandered both elements.

 

[Daedalus]

Spoken with the certitude of someone who wasn't there. I was, and there were LOTS of complaints, starting with TAS, about there being too many sequels to TOS episodes. And, perhaps you've never heard TMP referred to as "Where Nomad Has Gone Before".

Did you hear these complaints over the wireless? (I joke, I joke)

Seriously though, aside from magazines that seemed to attract the most venomous comments I've ever seen archived, where did fans go to voice these complaints? I felt like I was the only person watching Star Trek in the 90s.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Did you hear these complaints over the wireless? (I joke, I joke)

Seriously though, aside from magazines that seemed to attract the most venomous comments I've ever seen archived, where did fans go to voice these complaints? I felt like I was the only person watching Star Trek in the 90s.

Their basements of course. But only mom heard the complaints when she came down to check the laundry.

 

[Anna Yolei]

Did you hear these complaints over the wireless? (I joke, I joke)

Seriously though, aside from magazines that seemed to attract the most venomous comments I've ever seen archived, where did fans go to voice these complaints? I felt like I was the only person watching Star Trek in the 90s.

My guess would be conventions, local fan clubs and/or Usenet boards that existed. Also,AOL chatrooms once that became a thing in the 90s.

 

[Daddy Todd]

aside from magazines that seemed to attract the most venomous comments I've ever seen archived, where did fans go to voice these complaints?

Conventions, books, fan clubs, friends, local newspapers’ letters to the editor pages. It was also so culturally omnipresent in the 1970’s that a few universities had classes in Star Trek.

And lots of publications, both professional and fannish.

Over the past 6 or 7 years, I’ve been collecting Star Trek fanzines, focusing on ‘zines published in the 60s, 70s and early 80s. I was a fan in the 70s, but not connected to fandom, because I was a teenager in the hinterlands of Boise, Idaho. My one and only Star Trek convention of the era was in Los Angeles in the summer of 1977, while on a vacation with my family. And, while I had a general knowledge of fanzines (thanks to the book Star Trek Lives! and the magazine Starlog) I was oblivious to the fact one of the most notorious Trek fanzines of the era (Spock Enslaved!) was published right in my hometown! So my opinions about Star Trek were based almost entirely on my (and my friends’) reactions.

Fans had voices (often strident voices) back then. We just didn’t have an internet to internationalize and immortalize those voices.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Did you hear these complaints over the wireless? (I joke, I joke)

Seriously though, aside from magazines that seemed to attract the most venomous comments I've ever seen archived, where did fans go to voice these complaints? I felt like I was the only person watching Star Trek in the 90s.

Fanzines, my dude.

Interstat/Issues 001-010 - Fanlore

fanlore.org

It's fascinating reading, and shows that fandom really hasn't changed. Except for racism, that's seemingly pretty recent.

 

[Daedalus]

I'm guessing a lot of these didn't make it outside the USA? We had similar things over in the UK, but not so much for Star Trek IIRC. Doctor Who is likely, but that show wasn't on my radar in the 90s.

Non-fiction was quite abundant, and I made sure to collect everything that appeared in stores, but Star Trek:Monthly or Star Trek:The Magazine was probably the closest I got to interacting with fan gossip in periodicals. I must've skipped those sections every time

 

[The Wormhole]

Star Trek Fanzines were a thing in Canada. My uncle knew people who worked on one in the 80s.

 

[Daddy Todd]

Fanzines, my dude.

Interstat/Issues 001-010 - Fanlore

fanlore.org

It's fascinating reading, and shows that fandom really hasn't changed. Except for racism, that's seemingly pretty recent.

I’m only 5 issues short of a complete run of Interstat. Reading through them has been very enlightening.

 

[mswood]

Did you hear these complaints over the wireless? (I joke, I joke)

Seriously though, aside from magazines that seemed to attract the most venomous comments I've ever seen archived, where did fans go to voice these complaints? I felt like I was the only person watching Star Trek in the 90s.

Original complaints or near original complaints about things in Animated Series, and the massive influx of viewers of TOS from syndication seeing it for the first time. Those were generally things like fanzines, and local groups that discussed Trek (or scifi). As time progressed. We got more and more conventions where people from all over could discuss how they felt about shows, and the various startups and eventually films of Trek. You had fluff magazines like Starlog or more critical and in-depth publications like CineFantatique (both of which included a small section for readers comments (just like how comics used to have a letters page in the back).

By the very early 90's my partner who was far more into computers then I was introduced my to usenet groups. I don't even remember how they worked. But that was the easiest way to interact with Trek fans that weren't people you knew of interacted with. Anyone a computer and dialup could do it.

AOL was also popular after that with, but I never cared for AOL at all. So I personally did very little with them.

After that when what we really think of the internet became popular there were many places. The Trek BBS was my preferred spot. But one that got quite heated and uncivil was the official Trek site. I hated that place.

 

[fireproof78]

But one that got quite heated and uncivil was the official Trek site. I hated that place.

I wasn't there very long before coming here but it was awful.

 

[Unicron]

I never looked at the official Trek forums, but now I admit to a morbid curiosity.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I never looked at the official Trek forums, but now I admit to a morbid curiosity.

Makes the Mos Eisley Cantina look like a day spa.

 

[mswood]

I never looked at the official Trek forums, but now I admit to a morbid curiosity.

As much as I even hate to make the comparison. The board was like the some of the worst elements of today's political discussions. But you know 15 years ahead of time.

It was vile.

 

[Snowdrop82]

I never looked at the official Trek forums, but now I admit to a morbid curiosity.

Never knew there was an official one, I thought this one was it.