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The Delta Flyers now covering DS9

I only listened to a few of the Voyager episodes, I'm just not as invested in that show to work my way through them all.

I'm enjoying the DS9 episodes though and I've combined it with a much overdue rewatch.

RDM is the strongest of the Voyager two in his comments and insight but I appreciate that Wang seems to make more of an effort to do some background research. I like that Armin will comment on the acting more, even criticise at times. Yes Terry has a bit less to say but she still has some interesting insights and brings a nice vibe to the whole thing.

Yes it's irritating when they misremember, misunderstand or get hung up on something that I think the audience just accepts as a limitation of TV production and fills in the gaps themselves but after years of listening to Doctor Who commentaries I'm used to that!
 
Voyager is enertaining and nice to watch, good sience fiction, partly thrilling, but doesn't have the depth of DS9. The last 2 seasons I lost interest a bit, also too much Borg stuff for me.
 
VDCNI said:
but I appreciate that Wang seems to make more of an effort to do some background research.
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My main 'gripe' with Wang is that he comes across as both a pushy and a needy conversationalist.
Maybe I find it annoying because I don't like those qualities about myself, who knows? His laughter sometimes feels performative too, but that could just be me.

He seems a genuine and nice guy though, and that counts for a lot.
 
I’ve listened to a few and while they’re a bit overlong for my taste, they’re great fun. It’s nice to hear the perspective of people just watching the series for the first time. Armin and Terry are great for different reasons. Armin is more insightful and philosophical, but quite serious. Terry is genuinely charming, funny and has a great rapport with RDM and GW.
 
Speaking of "wrong" details, in the latest episode, "Necessary Evil", Armin ponders if the lab Odo was raised at was on the station. He assumes it was on Bajor, but can't seem to otherwise wrap his head around why Odo was on the station at all during the Occupation if the lab wasn't there, too?

Odo was kind of drifting. There's no reason why he couldn't have wound up on the station. Doesn't require an explanation. Armin seems to get hung up on issues like that frequently.
 
While I was not a Voyager fan, I circled back and listened to two Voyager episodes out curiosity, both episodes that I watched and at least somewhat enjoyed.

Listened to "Flashback" and "Death Wish" and honestly I was unimpressed. Episodes are MUCH shorter than Ds9, no doubt owing to less conversation with fewer hosts. But the long talk-throughs were much less detailed and there just wasn't as much analysis or insight. Maybe because they were there and aren't watching it simply as viewers? There was also WAY too much time devoted to revisiting inside jokes, notably a five minute discussion on farting in the "Flashback" episode.

I thought it was interesting that RDM admitted that he just wasn't a fan of "Flashback" and didn't think it worked. They gushed over "Death Wish", but that was one of the few truly great VOY episodes at all. It left me wondering if he/they were similarly harsh on other episodes. After all, IMO, Voyager was a pretty mediocre show throughout and I'd be mildly curious to see how blunt they are or if they mostly just look back at the show with fondness and/or blindness.
 
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Crewman6 said:
Armin seems to get hung up on issues like that frequently.
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He wonders why Kira couldn't have just wounded Vaatrik instead of killing him. And mind-blowingly, RDM and Wang join in on this train of thought. :rommie:

He also goes on about Dukat sitting on the floor, when he's clearly on a chair. He even stands up and his height only changes a small amount, which most certainly wouldn't have happened if he stood up after being on the floor.
 
Yeah, Armin who you expect the most from does tend to get very confused when they haven't made something explicit even when it doesn't really matter.

I've always assumed Dukat had Odo sent for but either way someone from Bajor coming to a orbiting space station is hardly shocking.
 
In Armin's defense, it is easy to forget the station was in orbit of Bajor in the past. I forget all the time, whenever I catch "Emissary" or "Crossover" I'm like "oh yeah!"

He didn't exactly articulate it this way, but I attributed his confusion on that point to the Ferengi lens. I thought he couldn't understand how Odo could have gotten the money to book the passage to the station

I was surprised that none of the three of them thought Odo might have pulled his move of shifting into a small creature to stow away on a transport.

I love this pod.
 
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Sakonna said:
I always say one of my favorite things about this pod has been watching Robbie's slow morph into a convention nerd. At the beginning of Voyager he would laugh at the silliness all the time, now he'll constantly run off on nerdy "the transporters don't work that way!" etc tangents.
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Might be worth a listen then.
 
So I'm kind of skipping around a bit.

listened to "Homecoming" recently and here were the funny things I noticed:

Armin says (and the others agreed) that this episode is the "first we're hearing" of internal divisions in Bajoran politics/society.

Except, you know, for the numerous conversations about it in the friggin' pilot episode as it was a foundational element of the entire series. But okay!

All three of them ( Terry Farrell was absent. Again.) wondering what "Cardassian 4" meant. Garrett was certain it referred to a "remote moon." But if it's a moon of Cardassia, it can't be that remote.

Armin suggested (interestingly, but incorrectly) that maybe it was just a planet Cardassia conquered, so they named it "Cardassia Four." Implying it was the fourth world added to their empire.

Despite each person appearing in nearly 200 Trek episodes, they were obviously unaware of the standard sci-fi convention of just naming planets in a given system with a numerical letter after them denoting their position from the star.

They also wonder where the filming location was for the prison camp. Which leads me to wonder....

Why have none of them ever heard of Memory Alpha??? Seriously. They very often ponder questions and wonder about things that could be immediately answered if they consulted that very user friendly and comprehensive database.

Someone needs to shoot them an email and inform them. It'll answer 99% of their questions and clear up the bulk of their confusion.

While we're at it, they should be directed to the Star Trek script archive, http://www.st-minutiae.com/resources/scripts/

which has actual production scripts for all of TNG and DS9, so they can consult them to answer the questions that always come up every time, "Hey, was this in the script or was it your idea?"

Come on, guys! Get on the ball here!
 
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On the other hand, Memory Alpha is not spoiler-friendly, so maybe it's better for them not to use it. Of course they know some stuff already, but they might be up for avoiding learning more.
 
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All three of them ( Terry Farrell was absent. Again.)
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You make it sound like she's flaking on showing up to work. It's set up that they rotate, every block of four episodes Terry and Armin each do two. They try to match the episodes to the actor that makes the most sense to talk about it, so as a consequence there's no regular pattern, but Armin and Terry have both been in almost the same number of pods (she's been on once more than he has).

Occasionally they double up and have all four on a pod. So far that's only happened for "Emissary", "Invasive Procedures", and "Rules Of Acquisition."

I wish they'd used the "Invasive Procedures" double-up slot on "The Siege" instead. I thought the oddest episode assignment choice so far was having Armin do all three parts of the season 2 opening trilogy with nothing from Terry.

Terry is also rewatching all the episodes as she goes along, whereas Armin is only rewatching the ones he is specifically assigned, so that's something else's that's contributing to him being less fresh on these recollections - not that I find it a problem. I actually love their (often unsuccessful) attempts to reason this all out.

They also bring the scripts a fair amount, if they happen to have them around. Armin seems to have held on to more of the scripts than the others. At least once recently, Robbie has somehow turned up with a DS9 script.

You can tell that Garrett has recently started reading MA before the pods. I find it endearing that he's now coming with research, though I don't think it's essential. There's Mission Log and other pods for that niche. The charm of this one is seeing the cast working through the episodes from their actual perspectives, which doesn't require research, unless they're feeling so inspired.

EDIT: And I start playing today's pod, and Garrett is citing the other episodes in which the guest stars dress appears. He has that MA trivia covered. :bolian:
 
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Maybe he started using it after they went on and on and on about "first Neela", even though the woman before Neela was a different character. I assume maybe someone pointed it out to them eventually. ;)

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she's been on once more than he has
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My count has them exactly even at fifteen each as of Necessary Evil, but math has never been my strong suit so maybe I missed one.
 
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Sakonna said:
Occasionally they double up and have all four on a pod. So far that's only happened for "Emissary", "Invasive Procedures", and "Rules Of Acquisition."
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My mistake. Those happened to be the first three episodes I listened to and subsequent episodes have been Armin-only. So I assumed the format was to have all four appear, but that Terry was just missing from a few.

Also, each episodes opening, where they say, "This is the show with Armin, Terry, Garrett and Robbie" contributed to my confusion, since the absent co-hosts are still credited.

They do seem to have scripts some of the time. But I've heard multiple times now questions about whether specific moment or beat was scripted, only for (usually) Armin to say, "Gee, I don't know." So having that script resource at their fingertips would be handy.

As would MA for those other bits of trivia that often seem to confound them.
 
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On the other hand, Memory Alpha is not spoiler-friendly, so maybe it's better for them not to use it. Of course they know some stuff already, but they might be up for avoiding learning more.
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My suggestion (not that they're likely to ask me!) would be just to have one rotating host read MA (avoiding the synopsis because it's unnecessary) before they record the discussion, but after they've personally watched the episode.

That way, they wouldn't be spoiled but would have read up on the trivia and production details and could go into the record armed with that knowledge.
 
Just started getting into this podcast and Terry having never seen S7 was surprising to me. Excited to hear her thoughts on Ezri, et al.
 
SirRocko711 said:
Just started getting into this podcast and Terry having never seen S7 was surprising to me. Excited to hear her thoughts on Ezri, et al.
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You're surprised she didn't keep up with the goings-on at a job she left under less than ideal circumstances?
 
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