Spoilers Star Trek Discovery - Starships and Technology Season Five Discussion
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Wow - they're using units of measurement I've never heard of. Zettabytes of storage space... Femtosecond read/write speeds... Quite impressive, and it looks like we might start seeing these things on the consumer market sometime next year.
The only potential drawback I'm seeing is it's WORM-based (Write Once, Read Many), meaning once the data is there you can't change or update it, nor can you append more data once the storage medium has been "closed out". Reminds me of the early days of write-once CD's back in the 90's. If the write failed you were screwed - throw the incomplete/corrupted disc out and start over. With new tech, that could get expensive. Multi-write tech really is the only way to fly these days, which I hope they can evolve this towards. I don't want to go back to the 90's again, but its write-once and volumetric nature really does lend itself to a highly secure and resilient storage solution.
Looking forward to seeing this tech advance into the mainstream. Thanks for posting!
The only potential drawback I'm seeing is it's WORM-based (Write Once, Read Many), meaning once the data is there you can't change or update it, nor can you append more data once the storage medium has been "closed out". Reminds me of the early days of write-once CD's back in the 90's. If the write failed you were screwed - throw the incomplete/corrupted disc out and start over. With new tech, that could get expensive. Multi-write tech really is the only way to fly these days, which I hope they can evolve this towards. I don't want to go back to the 90's again, but its write-once and volumetric nature really does lend itself to a highly secure and resilient storage solution.
Looking forward to seeing this tech advance into the mainstream. Thanks for posting!
I want MS to make it a "Mass Market" device.
I mean, with nigh unlimited tech why not?
Well, if it's in her mind it would work based off of her understanding.
Jake Sisko was there as a war correspondent, and although he got his ink, sweat, and blood on real paper now and then he was usually working on a PADD. It's bizarre that so much of this material looks exactly like present-day Earth books! No Arretan energy spheres? Vulcan Kir'Shara-style pyramids? Kudos for the little box with a root in it, but I really could have gone for a Tellarite Tapestry or a Suliban Scroll.
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Romulans mine Dilithum on Remus, so they are using it for something, at the very least.
They would still have to lug all that mass around, which is heavier than a Constitution Class ship. Perhaps that's why the ships have to be so big and powerful, just to move the engine around.
Well, we know the "Warp Plasma" is a thing. Perhaps regular plasma only causes a small reaction in the warp coils. And plasma created in a dilithuim matrix is much better at energizing the coils, allowing for much higher efficiency and speed.
There tends to be a trope in Trek that technology carries indicators of its origin. It might be redundant to say "Federation jump signature", although it's entirely possible that there are other FTL methods that work, on the surface level, in a similar manner (probably not through Space Mushrooms, but maybe they can make limited artificial wormholes or some such)
I mean. It was all in her head. The whole thing was "magic".
I'm guessing her tricorder thing was in use as something of a check...it's feasible she could have gotten mixed up and that would have thrown off the tricorder map. Having the sand as a physical backup helped orient everything.
It's all connected. There's plasma running through the warp core, and the nacelles are all connected to it. I think it's a gross oversimplification to say one thing is responsible... it's many things combined that creates the warp reaction.
Heh, that was totally my first thought too. Reminded me of Clu's carrier.
5x09:
- Despite being smoking and full of holes last week, today Discovery seems pretty pristine. Those newer DOTs do great work.
- Moll stores L’ak’s body in a transport buffer that she clips onto her forearm, basically spelling out what Starfleet is doing with their hand weapons.
- The Mitchell from last year has a pathway drive.
- So ARE Breen suits refrigerator units or not? L’ak is perfectly happy without one for an extended period of time. Or is it because he “hardened” his epidermis or something that he can handle room temperature?
- And even if it’s nice and warm in there, why does cutting the hose spew gasses and seemingly help to disable a Breen guard?
-The Rayner Maneuver (sic) nicely involves tucking Discovery's nacelles closer in. They don’t seem docked though.
- As Discovery fires everything she’s got, we see phasers in pulses AND beams alongside photon torpedo fire, quantums be damned. But par for this series after the jump to the 32nd, we still don’t see discrete emission points for those weapons.
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- Despite being smoking and full of holes last week, today Discovery seems pretty pristine. Those newer DOTs do great work.
- Moll stores L’ak’s body in a transport buffer that she clips onto her forearm, basically spelling out what Starfleet is doing with their hand weapons.
- The Mitchell from last year has a pathway drive.
- So ARE Breen suits refrigerator units or not? L’ak is perfectly happy without one for an extended period of time. Or is it because he “hardened” his epidermis or something that he can handle room temperature?
- And even if it’s nice and warm in there, why does cutting the hose spew gasses and seemingly help to disable a Breen guard?
-The Rayner Maneuver (sic) nicely involves tucking Discovery's nacelles closer in. They don’t seem docked though.
- As Discovery fires everything she’s got, we see phasers in pulses AND beams alongside photon torpedo fire, quantums be damned. But par for this series after the jump to the 32nd, we still don’t see discrete emission points for those weapons.
Mark
Got to love those new improved repair droids =D
I doubt that little device is the actual transport buffer, but more of a access key card while the actual physical transport buffer is somewhere else. You can't break the laws of physics by storing more mass in the size of a hair broach.
HOWEVER, You Can remote activate a transporter and put his body in the pattern buffer and save the access card to that buffer in a tiny form factor, far more reasonable to do & fits inline with how transporters are supposed to work.
It'll be nice to see it operate clearly.
Yes they are refrigeration units in the suit. L'ak is also perfectly happy to take off his helmet and kiss a outsider, so consider him a "Non Standard Breen" that choses to mate with a "Non-Breen".
The Breen physiology seem to harden in normal temperature and go Gelatinous in super cold temps which enables rapid healing and translucency.
Imagine your suit suddenly depressurized and you had a giant vacuum sucking on you and have rapid temperature change.
That would bother anybody who is more comfortable in one temperature to have a sudden temperature rise & pressure change.
It moved above the Pylons to minimize profile for entering the cavernous Cargo/Shuttle Bay.
WHY is it that big? It's not a StarBase!
Yeah, Discoveries VFX folks don't seem to know where things are supposed to come out from, that has been a running issue with them.
Great at action set pieces that involve people, sucks when it involves StarShips.
What "laws of physics" are being broken here? If their transporter system is turning matter into energy and storing it then why is mass a problem?
Also, while using the brooch as a "key" and leveraging a larger device elsewhere is not a bad supposition, my guess is that it won't be confirmed because Moll will doubtless pull L'ak out of her Buffer of Holding at some point next week, so they can use the Progenitors' tech to cast Revivify or Raise Dead or whatever. This will be tough to do as IMO they'll be in a pocket dimension or wherever they travelled, out of reach of anyone back in real space-time.
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There could be a problem with the energy density stored in that device, along with no error buildups?
Have you ever seen the diagrams for how the Trasporter works and how it's machine is made?
The Pattern Buffer is HUGE and below the Transporter Pad usually.
It's the size of a Giant Jacuzzi / Hot Tub and pretty tall as well.
That's more than enough space to store the individual molecules of a person.
Or they can pop back out of the Pocket Dimension, go back to the ship, and revive him with the Progenitors Tech on the ship.
Remember, Scotty was stored in a jerry rigged pattern buffer for 75 years.
If they worked on advanced Long Term Pattern Buffer storage for people, I'm sure they can make it "Reliable" for VERY LONG term storage.
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I suppose it depends on how that energy is being stored. The most efficient way to store a given amount of energy is to convert it into matter (otherwise you need to include the storage medium as well) - so a L'ak-sized amount of energy could be stored as solid matter for Moll to carry, but it would be an incredibly dense and heavy item!
That little broach like thing she wore on her wrist doesn't look like it weighed as much as La'k's body would.I suppose it depends on how that energy is being stored. The most efficient way to store a given amount of energy is to convert it into matter (otherwise you need to include the storage medium as well) - so a L'ak-sized amount of energy could be stored as solid matter for Moll to carry, but it would be an incredibly dense and heavy item!
So having it be a Remote Access Key Card like device where it stores it in a Pattern Buffer somewhere on the ship and locks up that Pattern Buffer for long term use so nobody else can use it makes far more sense.
Remember, a fully grown adult male actor is in that costume, having that much man in such a little broach wouldn't make logical sense. Otherwise it would drag her arm down due to gravity, which it shows that it isn't.
I suppose it depends on how that energy is being stored. The most efficient way to store a given amount of energy is to convert it into matter (otherwise you need to include the storage medium as well) - so a L'ak-sized amount of energy could be stored as solid matter for Moll to carry, but it would be an incredibly dense and heavy item!
Then the simple answer is that the energy density storage capability is excellent in Discovery's time
This is like Scotty scoffing at the idea of a walnut-sized warp engines
Have you seen a diagram for a transporter in Discovery's time? Why should their system be as primitive and bulky as something from the 23rd-24th century?
We have also seen DS9's runabouts equipped with transporters and I don't see space for giant transport buffers. Ditto for the transporter buffer in the Klingon Bird of Prey in ST4 that beamed up whales and the water to go with it. That would've necessitated scaling up the buffer to something gigantic, but that didn't happen.
Moll isn't hauling around an extra ~100 kg of mass. Maybe she is only carrying the information needed to reassemble him from matter?
Primitive or not, you don't break the laws of physics, you can't compress a person's base atoms beyond what they are, they are of finite size / mass. So your pattern buffer needs to be large enough to fit their entire mass if you plan on storing them.
DS9 RunAbouts are 2-person Transporters compared to Enterprise's which are 6 person Transporters + Equipment.
Pattern buffers can also be placed anywhere near by, so you just need to find somewhere on the RunAbout to place it for the Transporter system to have access to it.
The Klingon BoP beamed the whales into the hold designed for them, they didn't store them inside the Transporter Buffer for "Long Term".
You only need the buffer to hold things for a moment before you move it to it's final destination, the holding tank for the whales.
Ergo, the Klingon Transporter only moved enough at a time to get the Whales into place.
If they are still in energy form then there are no atoms to compress. You're making assumptions on how Discovery's future tech should work when there is no basis for it.
You are willing to carve out an exception for a small buffer to hold giant things before moving them to their destination but you are unable to accept the possibility of using a small buffer to hold a single person like Moll using significantly better technology and hold him without any degradation? From your argument the size of the buffer doesn't matter. Hmm
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