Russell T. Davies Returns to Doctor Who as New Showrunner
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Oh OK, I didn't know that. Are they still up on Max? I canceled my subscription a few months ago.
No offense intended, but The Fugitive Doctor is so clearly and obviously pre-Hartnell/Hurndall/Bradley that it's genuinely laughable that anybody would even think of trying to slot her in anywhere else.
Also, we already know from The Two Doctors that there was no 'interegnum' regeneration between Troughton and Pertwee, merely an undetermined period of solo missions for the CIA that eventually became duo missions featuring a yet-again time-displaced Jamie.
That you just wrote such a serious post in response to an obvious joke is making me laugh.
If she is pre-Harnell, why is her TARDIS a Police Phone Box from the UK circa 1963 whose chameleon circuit broke under Hartnells' care?
She is pre-Hartnell and her TARDIS looks like a police box. Deal with it.
Because every Doctor from Hartnell/Hurndall/Bradley on was wrong about the origin of the TARDIS' police box appearance due to their memories of their previous lives being lost.
Trying to use 'The Fugitive Doctor's TARDIS shouldn't have looked like a police box if she's pre-Hartnell/Hurndall/Bradley' argument is just grasping at straws for ways to ignore what the show clearly establishes about her.
Saying "'The Fugitive Doctor's TARDIS should/could have looked like a police box if she's pre-Hartnell/Hurndall/Bradley' argument is just grasping at straws".
Wrong.
It's accepting what the show clearly shows us without question.
I don't usually see eye to eye with @The Wormhole, but they're right when they said the following:
What, and "the Doctor must have a secret history even they don't know about because of the extra faces in 'The Brain of Morbius'" argument wasn't grasping at straws for a way to ignore what the show had clearly established about them? If anyone had suggested it prior to when it was leaked in October 2019, they'd have been dismissed as a crank who was in too deep into Doctor Who theorycrafting, and I say that as a person who came up with the idea that Donna was the Doctor's mother. As with everything else, it's only going to be true until it's not.
In my opinion, the fact that you can't bring yourself to use the accepted nomenclature for the character and refer to him as "Hartnell/Hurndall/Bradley" because referencing him numerically would be paradoxical kind of undercuts your argument that the situation as presented is clear and obvious. I'm sure it was intended to be clear and obvious, but intent matters right up until the audience sees what's been made.
Come on, we all know that the odds of the Second-and-a-half Doctor theory being confirmed, or even not being conclusively contradicted within the next two years, are minuscule, but to call it "laughable" in a franchise that invented the idea of "the loom" because it was unappealing to infer that your elderly protagonist once had sex and, again, had an episode that was literally a YouTube lore dump video explaining that everything that had been established about the Doctor's life and character was a lie except for twelve seconds in 1976 is a little over-the-top. We're having this conversation because someone did something laughable that ignored that was clear and obvious about the storyline.
It's all just fun, we're not just memorizing the episodes and reciting them back to each other. At least, not in this thread.
^ The Brain of Morbius itself was pretty clear that the faces that the Fourth Doctor saw were supposed to be his own previous incarnations that we as audiences weren't aware of, so, no, it wouldn't have been grasping at straws to make that claim at any point.
We're arguing over a time machine that's been shown to not think or behave linearly looking like a police box in the Doctor's secret history? For all we know the Tardis knows it'll be a police box in the future, so threw it on at the lighthouse because it was about to encounter 13.
In another show they used the mantra "all of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again"
In another another show the mantra "timey wimey" gets used.
In another show they used the mantra "all of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again"
In another another show the mantra "timey wimey" gets used.
Yep. The Tardis is a time-travelling, time-sensitive, telepathic entity. Maybe a Tardis can recognize someone from its future -- especially if that someone is someone the Tardis already knows -- and present itself accordingly.
So it's not grasping at straws to build on a few seconds of ambiguous action that was generally forgotten and frequently contradicted for the next 44 years. But the Chameleon Circuit pretty clearly locking up as a police box at Totter's Lane in 1963 for the first time and that being continuously reinforced and referenced for 57 years is incidental trivia that's easily ignored, and drawing on that to interpret a storyline is grasping at straws.
Well, that does certainly make a kind of sense in context.
^ Fugitive of the Judoon, The Timeless Children, the entirety of Flux, and The Power of the Doctor clearly establish within their own narratives that The Fugitive Doctor is pre-Hartnell, in turn establishing and reinforcing the fact that the explanation that every Doctor from Hartnell on gives for the TARDIS' appearance is the truth only insofar as they are aware of their own history but is not in fact the truth at all since it is established in Fugitive of the Judoon that the TARDIS did in fact appear as a police box long before the events of An Unearthly Child.
