Spoilers Variety about the future of Star Trek

[Danja]

To me, it's not so much Picard. It's Patrick Stewart. We absolutely do not need more of him, just like we do not need more of William Shatner playing Kirk. But other actors playing those characters, in earlier time periods, would be just fine, if not better. We have almost no knowledge of his time as captain of the Stargazer during the Lost Era. And since one era in Star Trek is really no different from any other era, I'd rather watch a show about young Picard on the Stargazer than a show about 7 of 9 on the Enterprise-G.

My problem with Picard is that he's the prototypical Trek unquestioned "good guy" (the guy who needs a mirror version of himself in order to have anything resembling an edge).

Seven, OTOH, is a far more interesting character. This woman was evil incarnate for eighteen years. Every day, she's fighting the temptation to go back to the Borg.

This woman has a monster inside of her. She has one of the most complicated psyches in all of Trek.

I'd like to see how she interacts with the young crew on the E-G.

 

[The Wormhole]

We know that she dies in 2344.

We know Pike ends up in a horrible accident in 2266 which leaves him in a wheelchair only able to communicate in beeps representing Yes and No. SNW's still doing great things in spite of this.

 

[Mudd]

Not that interested in protagonists with monsters inside them anymore.

 

[Mudd]

*checks Stardate*
Yep yep.

Uh-uh.

All the shows have stardates that are in "the future." By your limited logic, "now" is whenever the Short Trek "Calypso" takes place. But in fact, that's a cul de sac, just as STD's unimaginative "32nd century" is.

 

[Danja]

Not that interested in protagonists with monsters inside them anymore.

People like Picard and Pike strike me as being one-dimensional superheroes.

They bore me. They're not real. If I want superheroes, I can stream Marvel or DC.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Being a good person doesn't inherently make a character one-dimensional. Transversely, "edge" or "darkness" doesn't make them inherently complex. Pike has more complexity to his story than just about anyone on either Disco or Picard. And the "tortured soul" hero is a pretty common trap in that i becomes nothing more than a gimmicky trope. (See: Burnham.)

 

[The Old Mixer]

I have to wonder if they'll pull the same thing with Garrett that they did with Pike...have her entire character arc center on foreknowledge of her eventual fate.

 

[Danja]

Pike has more complexity to his story than just about anyone on either Disco or Picard.

I'm supposed to watch this man trudge towards his "destiny" of being disfigured and paralyzed?

And the "tortured soul" hero is a pretty common trap in that i becomes nothing more than a gimmicky trope. (See: Burnham.)

There's a difference between being a basically good person who made a mistake and just being a flat-out monster for eighteen years.

 

[HotRod]

People like Picard and Pike strike me as being one-dimensional superheroes.

They bore me. They're not real. If I want superheroes, I can stream Marvel or DC.

Pike and Picard are about as different from each other as two Starfleet Captain's can get. Pike comes off as being an actual human. He's emotional. He's flawed. Passionate. A deeply caring individual.

Picard rarely felt like any of those things, being one of Roddenberry's perfect 24th century humans.

 

[Danja]

Pike comes off as being an actual human. He's emotional. He's flawed. Passionate. A deeply caring individual.

Picard rarely felt like any of those things, being one of Roddenberry's perfect 24th century humans.

Consider Picard's family.

His mother went insane. He probably grew up seeing emotional outbursts as something to be avoided at all costs.

It may be one reason science appealed to him. Science is a world of structure, logic, and clarity -- three things lacking in his upbringing.

 

[UssGlenn]

His mother went insane. He probably grew up seeing emotional outbursts as something to be avoided at all costs.

*looks in mirror*

 

[fireproof78]

Pike is my favorite captain because he rises and faces adversity. I'll take it as my aspirational hero figure. That's what Trek is, right?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Not that interested in protagonists with monsters inside them anymore.

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[StarMan]

The future of Star Trek is looking pretty fucking dull, save for SNW S3 (and 4).

I'll be interested to see who wins the Paramount bid and what the scope of the deal is. In the meantime, squeeze what they can out of SNW.

This woman has a monster inside of her. She has one of the most complicated psyches in all of Trek.

I'd like to see how she interacts with the young crew on the E-G.

I like Seven and I like Jeri Ryan, but if you want to see how she interacts with the young crew of the Stargazer Enterprise-<insert letter>, I suggest getting to work on some fan fiction. It's not happening.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Uh-uh.

All the shows have stardates that are in "the future." By your limited logic, "now" is whenever the Short Trek "Calypso" takes place. But in fact, that's a cul de sac, just as STD's unimaginative "32nd century" is.

You're confusing quality with place in the overall universe. "Calypso" may be 1,000 years ahead of Disco, or it's just a dream as per "Face the Strange"

It's like saying TOS was the present of Trek while TNG was airing, or because you just saw Star Trek VI.

 

[Mudd]

People like Picard and Pike strike me as being one-dimensional superheroes.

They bore me. They're not real. If I want superheroes, I can stream Marvel or DC.

Uh huh.

Trek characters are not realistic and never have been. None of them. They are all heroic stereotypes or melodramatic villains to a greater or lesser degree.

The MCU? Not a big fan...but characters like Stark and Parker and Strange are a lot closer to three-dimensional characters with some complexity than Trek characters like 7. Better performances, of course.

 

[Tuskin38]

People like Picard and Pike strike me as being one-dimensional superheroes.

Have you even watched Strange New Worlds? Pike is hardly a superhero.
TOS Kirk is more of a superhero when compared to Pike and Picard.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Seven, OTOH, is a far more interesting character. This woman was evil incarnate for eighteen years. Every day, she's fighting the temptation to go back to the Borg.

Annika was assimilated at age six, in the year 2350. She became the Collective's rep to Voyager's crew in 2374, which would've made her thirty at the time (Jeri was 29 when "Scorpion, Part 2" first aired). So before she was initially freed, she was a drone for 24 years, not 18.

This woman has a monster inside of her. She has one of the most complicated psyches in all of Trek.

By the time we see her in the first season of Picard, she went through a lot. Starfleet rejected her because of her past, and sometime after 2381 she joined the Fenris Rangers. But just five years later, she was betrayed by a dealer of stolen Borg implants she knew, who mortally wounded her "son" Icheb...who she reluctantly killed as an "errand of mercy". Thirteen years passed afterward, until she was finally able (with Picard's help) to track down Icheb's torturer, killing them as well. So yeah - she's far from conventional.

I'd like to see how she interacts with the young crew on the E-G.

Judging by the Season 3 finale of Picard, it seems like she's mellowed out a bit...so if Paramount decides to do another show, maybe they'll bring her back. Time will tell...

 

[Danja]

Annika was assimilated at age six, in the year 2350. She became the Collective's rep to Voyager's crew in 2374, which would've made her thirty at the time (Jeri was 29 when "Scorpion, Part 2" first aired). So before she was initially freed, she was a drone for 24 years, not 18.

She may have been twenty-four when she liberated, but she was a Borg for (approximately) twenty years.

Seven is four years younger than Jeri Ryan.

CHAKOTAY: For all we know, Annika and her parents were the first humans the Borg ever assimilated.
JANEWAY: From what she's told me, that was almost twenty years ago.

Judging by the Season 3 finale of Picard, it seems like she's mellowed out a bit...so if Paramount decides to do another show, maybe they'll bring her back. Time will tell...

Seven is now what she's been for the bulk of her adult life: A soldier.

For once, she has a Captain's commission to show for it.