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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x04 - "Face the Strange"

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I'm referring to character archetypes. People who are fans of the way Burnham is portrayed really, really don't seem to like characters more in the mold of Shaw.
I love Burnham, I liked Shaw, and I'm digging Rayner.

I'm pretty sure many people who are fans can hold both captains' different command styles in their heads without their brains exploding.
Yup.

I can see how some of Rayner's style would be useful for Burnham to adopt and vice versa. I'm confident that's what we'll be seeing more of as the story progresses.
I think that will be interesting to watch. They can definitely learn from each other.
 
The female conn officer seen in the picture of the Enterprise-D bridge was named Felton. She was played by Sheila Franklin.

I am not as worried that I don't know much about the bridge crew. The treatment of the bridge crew is something I have come to expect with this franchise.
 
That's a hold over from TNG. even they realized it was a mistake. So they moved Geordi to Engineering and Wes to the academy. Troi sort of quietly went "downstairs" too. Worf and Data were the only non-command mains who stayed on the bridge. Comms and Science weren't even part of the mix.

The only reason Comms and Science weren't part of TNG's mix of bridge crew was because Worf and Data essentially doubled up as those roles, respectively.
 
Pages and pages of complaining that we don’t know the bridge crew well enough. Yet no one ever complained we didn’t know enough about Ensign Gates, Ensign Ragar and the parade of conn officers that replaced Wesley. What about those poor souls at the aft stations behind Worf? Why doesn’t anyone spill tears over them?

Geez, man, they’re basically extras! And given that they are extras DSC has actually treated them pretty well. It would be nice if we had time to flesh them out surely; after all DS9 had an enormous cast of peripheral characters. In a 10-12 episode season though, that ain’t gonna happen. They have enough trouble giving the main characters enough to do (I was so happy Paul got a larger role this week, he’s really been underused for a while now). The whole bridge crew argument is just tedious frankly.
 
The only reason Comms and Science weren't part of TNG's mix of bridge crew was because Worf and Data essentially doubled up as those roles, respectively.

I'e read, though I don't know how accurate this is, that Data was originally going to be the science officer but they had to come up with a new role for his character which was essentially "science officer with other stuff" when they realised that his android makeup clashed horribly with science blue but really suited operations yellow.

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Pages and pages of complaining that we don’t know the bridge crew well enough. Yet no one ever complained we didn’t know enough about Ensign Gates, Ensign Ragar and the parade of conn officers that replaced Wesley. What about those poor souls at the aft stations behind Worf? Why doesn’t anyone spill tears over them?

Geez, man, they’re basically extras! And given that they are extras DSC has actually treated them pretty well. It would be nice if we had time to flesh them out surely; after all DS9 had an enormous cast of peripheral characters. In a 10-12 episode season though, that ain’t gonna happen. They have enough trouble giving the main characters enough to do (I was so happy Paul got a larger role this week, he’s really been underused for a while now). The whole bridge crew argument is just tedious frankly.

I guess it's because the named/few lines here and there extra's from TNG did a lot less than all the bridge crew we see in Discovery, who are a bit more fleshed out and have more depth. So it makes people curious about more.
 
I've never understood why Discovery gets so much shit for not fleshing out characters that are essentially meant to be extras with lines. Voyager and Enterprise had members of the main cast that were worse off. I know more about Detmer than I do about Mayweather.
 
I've never understood why Discovery gets so much shit for not fleshing out characters that are essentially meant to be extras with lines. Voyager and Enterprise had members of the main cast that were worse off. I know more about Detmer than I do about Mayweather.

QFT. It's insane how some characters from both shows were basically ignored.
I mean, Mayweather was basically the one with more spacetime under his belt than any of them.
 
We do get the random changing lady next to Data though and we can actually see her face.
And we see the face whoever is there in Discovery as well.

The Discovery bridge crew have been given a lot more lines in the last 2 seasons.

We even got a new guy, Christopher, who replaced Bryce last season. Even he's had lines.

True, but when he left they never filled it with a regular again.
When Ro came aboard she took his spot. But yeah, that was years later.
 
I love Burnham, I liked Shaw, and I'm digging Rayner.


Yup.


I think that will be interesting to watch. They can definitely learn from each other.
True! Although I do think that Rayner's story is running parallel to the Federation's story in this srason/era that doesn't mean Burnham can't pick up a thing a or two.
 
I've never understood why Discovery gets so much shit for not fleshing out characters that are essentially meant to be extras with lines. Voyager and Enterprise had members of the main cast that were worse off. I know more about Detmer than I do about Mayweather.

My issue has always been that the stories they chose to tell with these characters are the dullest, least interesting stories you can do.
If you're going to go to the trouble of puttinger Owo and Detmer in cast photos and putting them on con panels maybe, I dunno, actually do something with them.
 
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Speaking of the whole Calypso thing, I think this episode provides an easy out. Stay with me here:

Either Calypso is, as I've always suspected, simply a dream of Zora's (she says here that she dreams a lot), or it takes place in the alternate future where the crew are all dead.

Granted, the scene in this ep was only a 30-odd-year jump forwards, but it's still possible. In Calypso, Craft mentions the V'Draysh, but obviously in the real timeline "V'Draysh" won't be a thing anymore, since the Federation itself has been reborn.

On a completely unrelated matter, how DID that time bug get aboard the ship? Did Moll somehow sneak it into the crew's personal effects (because she was present on Trill in the last ep)?

Oh, and MORE RAYNER. What a guy. :mallory:
 
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I'e read, though I don't know how accurate this is, that Data was originally going to be the science officer but they had to come up with a new role for his character which was essentially "science officer with other stuff" when they realised that science blue clashed horribly with his makeup but really suited operations yellow.

Very possible, since blue is the typical color for science officers. And I read about those test shots of Data in blue, and they did ultinately go with gold because of the color scheme while filming.


I've never understood why Discovery gets so much shit for not fleshing out characters that are essentially meant to be extras with lines. Voyager and Enterprise had members of the main cast that were worse off. I know more about Detmer than I do about Mayweather.

Mayweather had probably the most interesting background of all the leads, but Anthony Montgomery was just boring. I think they didn't give him more to do because the producers saw he couldn't carry an episode without either making people tune out or bore them to tears.
 
I'm not following. :confused:

I know about the final reveal that Moll had infiltrated the Guardians. If there's something else I forgot about that bit, please enlighten me.

We clearly see Guardian!Moll attach a small device to Adira's sleeve when the Guardians are embracing after releasing the Bix symbiont. In the next episode this turns out to be the chronophage bug.
 
I'e read, though I don't know how accurate this is, that Data was originally going to be the science officer but they had to come up with a new role for his character which was essentially "science officer with other stuff" when they realised that his android makeup clashed horribly with science blue but really suited operations yellow.

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Mad they didn't just, you know, make science yellow.
 
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