It’s way too early for me to rate Picard. It’s mostly all fan service. But I can’t lie that I’ve enjoyed it.
When creators love what they’re working on it shows.
Spoilers Variety about the future of Star Trek
- Thread starter Visitor1982
- Start date
When creators love what they’re working on it shows.
Not really - unless you wilfully ignore all of the evidence put in front of you (the fan comments outside of this board, the number of signatures on the petition etc). It feels less "educated" and more like you are cherry picking what you want to see because it happens to fit your viewpoint, to be honest. The petition having more signatures than the Pike show alone shows there is a great deal of interest. Pretty much every time there is an event or interview with a producer/actor, the question about Legacy gets asked. Even if we do just look at this board - there seems to be an awful lot of people wanting this to happen.
I bet if you agreed with the sentiment of the "Legacy pushers", you wouldn't be calling them an "exclusionary club".
Yep I said up thread 2 things that apply here:
1. TBBS posters are not even close to the median “normie” trek fan
2. People here often argue things that boil down to: “the direction the franchise needs to take is the one that aligns with my personal preferences” but they dress it up to obfuscate this.
The direction the franchise needs to take is to draw in new viewers. It should not cater to me.
I hate to be nothing but a contrarian (but man, I really get annoyed at some of the arguments here so I can’t help it) but “fan service” on a macro level is fine. “People liked this thing! That means you pandered to them and this thing actually sucks!” Is such lazy sneering hipsterism. Imagine being mad that creators made something that people liked! Even if it isn’t perfect…it’s good that S3 of PIC resonated so well with so many. To say that “it was done the wrong way,” or “the wrong people like it” is just so self-centered and solipsistic it boggles the mind.
This probably has a lot to do with age and maturity. I know people that still hate on whatever is popular. Most I knew grew past that simple viewpoint. But I know folks in their 40s that still approach their opinions as teenagers. I don’t understand it.
Best to like what you like and not seek validation.
Interesting. Objecting to what is popular is now a sign of immaturity, seeking validation, and is acting like a teenager.
Fascinating, given that when I was growing up Star Trek was unpopular and liking it despite that was considered a sign of maturity.
Fascinating, given that when I was growing up Star Trek was unpopular and liking it despite that was considered a sign of maturity.
When I was a teen, I actually did avoid and bad mouth popular things and thought my love of not-so-popular things (like Star Trek) made me cool. Thankfully, I grew up. I still can be a bit of a snob, but I'm trying.
I kind of was, but also was kind of sheltered. I am a slow to warm up person when it comes to new things, and will be hesitant to try. If you want me to try something the argument of "This is the best ever! You HAVE to try it." will not go very far. Appealing to popularity will not go very far. I am not like most people. I am introverted, introspective and analytical. I need a personal hook to get me invested, and populism is the least personal thing out there.
You want to persuade me to try? Tell me why you like it, what it makes you think, or feel or appreciate. That goes further.
It's safe to say I'm one of the board's strongest pro-PS3 / Legacy / Terry Matalas and anti-D/SNW / Michael Chabon posters. I'm down to just spot checking the forum a few times a week to see if anything interesting has developed. There's no point constantly relitigating impressions from a year ago... especially when people will intentionally misread and twist what I post and then reply to a strawman, let alone engage in flaming that I'll just hit the ignore button on and move on with my week. At the end of the day, you have anywhere from a half dozen to a dozen anti-PS3 fans here that just want to crowd out an argument and form an echo chamber.
DISCOVERY has been faaaar more controversial than PICARD season 3. Yet it's mostly crickets now that the final season of that series is finally getting released.
Again, Legacy (as an evolved Berman era Trek series from PS3) would serve a much larger audience tonally, politically, and canonically.
This BBS also would have a survivorship bias. Likely many anti-NuTrek people got burned out by the time of DISCOVERY season 2 or PICARD season 1 and left. The PICARD forum is full of 50-100 page threads about why PICARD isn't Star Trek etc. You can only debate this for so long, especially when all the other side has to do is defend the current regime in power.
Yeah, why bother arguing with these people? PS3 had a great reception. Just look at all the events, the YouTube views of channels covering those episodes, PS3 selling so quickly on Blu-ray that the steel book vanished almost immediately, and the access media still running click bait on what's the latest on Legacy articles.
Seriously? No. The detractions are still alive and well.
How so? Please so us the evidence and provide us why this is so important. That would go along way, instead being called "anti" all the day. It's damn frustrating to ask for opinions and be told I'm just a hater. I'm not. I just don't think Picard Season 3 is the way.
Neither is Discovery.
Neither is SNW.
Neither is LD.
Convince me, please. I want to see the world through your eyes for the briefest of moments.
Haven't hit that moment yet, and I've been defending ST 09 for over 10 years now as "real Star Trek."
The only problem is it's not popular. It's well-liked within a very specific subset of a subset.
Literally, the point of the discussion.
Popularity even within the subset doesn't help.
I see Legacy as Trek's answer to Better Call Saul.
Seven is a former Borg drone. She was evil incarnate for eighteen years.
She's killed and enslaved. She has a history of doing VERY bad things (she came thisclose to going back to the Collective in Picard S1). She's now trying to go straight.
For eighteen years, Seven ate, breathed, and slept evil. She's unlike any other Captain of the Enterprise that's come before her.
That's something worth exploring. She has one of the most complicated psyches in all of Trek.
Seven is a former Borg drone. She was evil incarnate for eighteen years.
She's killed and enslaved. She has a history of doing VERY bad things (she came thisclose to going back to the Collective in Picard S1). She's now trying to go straight.
For eighteen years, Seven ate, breathed, and slept evil. She's unlike any other Captain of the Enterprise that's come before her.
That's something worth exploring. She has one of the most complicated psyches in all of Trek.
Last edited:
I don't think anyone is saying popular = good. I think people are saying popular =/= bad, and that it's ok to like things that others dislike.
I readily agree with FP78 on one thing for sure. There are many ways to tell Star Trek stories.
Not every one will work for everyone.
I readily agree with FP78 on one thing for sure. There are many ways to tell Star Trek stories.
Not every one will work for everyone.
And I'm saying that it isn't popular, so the argument is pointless. The Voyage Home was popular. 2009 was popular. The middle seasons of TNG were popular. I'm willing to be that if there was some way to quantify a property's presence or "visibility" within the pop culture zeitgeist, you'd find Picard season 3 doesn't rate much better than the later seasons of Voyager.
