So would it be a good show if it was open ended, existing in its own timeline?
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So would it be a good show if it was open ended, existing in its own timeline?
Could be. But I feel I wouldn't care about the characters as much.
I genuinely like the Kelvin films, but I don't really care that much for the characters. Yes, they're Kirk and Spock, etc. But they're NOT Kirk and Spock.
One of the best things about SNW is the expansion of the characters I fell in love with as a kid. To lose that connection, would be a detriment to the show.
In my opinion.
I understand what you're getting at. But, in all honesty, this Kirk (Pike) and Spock aren't the Kirk and Spock of the 1960's. Different writers, producers, directors and actors mean these are just as different as Abrams gang was. The only real difference is the likely corporate edict that they lean into TOS as it is still popular among sci-fi fans.
More power if you can make it all connect in your headspace, I respect it. It is something that simply doesn't work for me.
You know, my head canon says that the Gorn Kirk fights in Arena is actually the Gorn equivalent of Joe Biden or something, which explains why he's so slow and ponderous. Makes me chuckle to think of Kirk getting all proud of himself for beating up a Gorn senior citizen
Were they? I didn't. I was fascinated by the culture presented.
Yes. And while I appreciate the work of those books, I find treating them as strict rulebooks is frustrating.
Damn straight.
I will agree to a certain point. I love the Kelvin films because that Kirk is someone a bit different than what I know he could be. I don't think to loose that connection is a detriment, but it is definitely an enjoyable topping to an incredible show.
Did we really need to inject politics into this?
New variation of Godwin’s Law.
Uh...I just picked someone current and well known who seems old and frail. No political message intended.Did we really need to inject politics into this?
Fair enough. Just too many people randomly drop political opinions into conversations they don't belong in.
The difference between the Kelvin timeline characters and the SNW characters is that the former aren’t going to become the characters they were portrayed as in TOS, and the latter ones will, if it’s all the same universe. That’s the issue I have. Because I don’t want SNW Chapel to become TOS Chapel, or SNW T’Pring to become TOS T’Pring. If they don’t want to acknowledge that the Discoverse is a reboot, then say it’s a changed timeline and do more with these characters than to just say ‘wanna know where they’ll all end up? Watch the Original Series!’ I’d rather they continue to take them in new directions instead of shoehorning them into an outdated ‘60’s continuity.
I'd rather see them become their TOS counterparts. It's, to borrow phrase, fascinating.
They'll become something like their TOS counterparts. SNW's continuity is somewhat flexible. You can tell by the way the Enterprise looks it's not 1:1, it's "in continuity" with a nod and a wink. And they even used the Temporal Wars as a vague excuse for the differences, should one want it... then had the Lower Decks guys crossover and not notice anything odd at all, if you want to imagine it all fits perfectly.
I wish they'd gone with a full reboot, but it is what it is. The last episode will probably have a "refit" and a quick scene where Kirk, on the TOS Set Tour bridge ordering them out of spacedock, to keep the Picard Season 3 crowd happy.
Then you'll have everyone complaining about the jelly beans and cheap looking set.
I for one can’t wait to see Celia Rose Gooding with a beehive hairdo and spouting ‘Hailing frequencies open’ and little else. And Paul Wesley with his arm seductively around a 19 year old girl, and banging a Roman slave.
That would be the dumbest thing they could do.
I don't believe Uhura ever had a beehive.
And your disparagement of her character undercuts the enormous importance she had even being there. That's what I meant when I talked about whitewashing history.
Not ‘the fans.’ It would please a small segment of fans who are under the impression that things will eventually look like TOS. Becuase most fans of SNW aren’t expecting that to happen.
You’re confusing disparagement with lack of character development.
You’re confusing disparagement with lack of character development.
Pleasing some fans. To quote Emperor Kuzco, "And that's...bad?"
Pleasing 1% of fans over 99% isn’t logical. Just ask Terry Matalas about his choice to include the Enterprise-F over the E.
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I don't know if you live in the States or not, and not to disparage Nichelle Nichols in any way I love what she brought to Uhura, her impact has been "overhyped" over the past few decades by fans.
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