Chekov being closer in age to Kirk (and the rest) might suggest Nero's incursion affected the timeline in both directions
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Chekov being closer in age to Kirk (and the rest) might suggest Nero's incursion affected the timeline in both directions
Logically speaking, I don't see how that could be possible. How could a temporal incursion affect the timeline before that incursion occurred? The logic just doesn't hold up.
As for Chekov's age, meh. He had to have been born after the timelines diverged (the point of divergence was 2233, and even in TOS - taking place in the 2260''s - he's like 21 at the most), so his age in ST09 and its ilk really doesn't mean anything.
For whatever it's worth, it's in the 2016 Star Trek Encyclopedia.
But that came before modern Trek, where a whole lot more has changed
Chekov wasn't born until eight years after the Narada even in that timeline. He was born in 2245 in the Prime Timeline. It's still a one-way alteration going forward from 2233.
Ah, okay.
Well, we don't even know if the DTI even existed during TOS or the TOS movies era. Maybe, as some have suggested, Kirk got that record based on the DTI reading reports decades after those incidents occured.
So if there are no temporal laws in place when you violate them, did you actually commit a temporal violation?
Besides all that... his actions did save Earth, the lives of billions of people, and brought back a species from extinction. I think that deserves a bit of leeway.
Leeway but not carte blanche, in my opinion.
But, I'm a bit unreasonable on rule following sometimes.
Fair enough.
The age difference between Chekov and Kirk in the Kelvin universe is much closer than in the TOS universe. Chekov should only be 13 when Kirk graduated from the Academy.
In addition, Simon Pegg postulated the timeline was altered in both directions.
https://gizmodo.com/simon-pegg-has-a-canonical-explanation-for-why-sulu-is-1783511576
Pegg basically says due to quantum shenanigans, time is not linear and, as a result, the Nerada incursion created ripples forward and backward in time, resulting in various subtle changes like Sulu being gay and Chekov's parents hooking up sooner. Sure, Chekov was born after the incursion, but he was born much sooner than in the TOS timeline
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And it’s relevant what Simon Pegg says…why, exactly?
His sole function is to play Scotty. He’s not writing any of the films. Therefore, his theories are not canon, and thus mean nothing.
His sole function is to play Scotty. He’s not writing any of the films. Therefore, his theories are not canon, and thus mean nothing.
He co-wrote Star Trek Beyond.
Okay. But even so, that film did not put forth any of the theories Pegg suggested. If he has a theory, let him put it in a screenplay. Other than that? If it’s not onscreen, it doesn’t exist. Simple as that.
I actually head canon this. The Kelvin timeline does not have to line up with the Prime one in any way, shape, or form. Completely different, top to bottom.
In my mind, there are some things that happened at the same time or the same way in both universes. For instance, I think that McCoy's marriage broke up at around the same time in both universes. (But it doesn't necessarily follow that he met Jim Kirk immediately after.) But if it doesn't contradict anything in a big way, why not?
It's not, save for idle speculation.
I'm curious as to why that wouldn't apply to all of the timelines where incursions/divergences have occurred?
And if you go with the idea that ripples go both ways, then wouldn't that mean there really is no continuity, since we have no idea what other changes have happened.
There's a major deviation from the true Prime timeline, which begins with the events of Star Trek Generations. Here's how things went in the original timeline:
Kirk and his command crew are aboard the Enterprise-B, including Captain Sulu. The Enterprise-B's captain is Kevin Reilly.
Generations happens very differently. Long story short, an act of heroism on Kirk's part saves the Enterprise-B while also trapping him in interphase again. He remains there for 87 years, though it's mere seconds for him. He reunites with Spock, McCoy, and Scotty, and helps Picard and his crew defeat a Romulan plot. He lives on into the 24th century, during which time 60 is still considered very young.
The Enterprise-D's saucer section is beyond repair, but thankfully, the stardrive survives a battle with Romulans, not Klingons. The stardrive is refit and joined with a new, smaller saucer, one that doesn't have room for families. Also, this refit Enterprise-D is designed by Andrew Probert, NOT John Eaves. Also, Data does not receive Soong's emotion chip, but experiences his first "natural" emotions when the Enterprise's saucer crashes. He will later learn that his father programmed him to evolve emotions over time, as well as the ability to appear "aged" after a certain period of time and growth.
Worf goes to DS9 as in the divergent timeline while the refit E-D continues on several new adventures, one of which includes the threat of Borg who survived "The Descent," now hell-bent on wiping out all life in the galaxy. Time travel is not involved here, but in the alternate timeline, that Picard's crew alter their own timeline when Zephram Cochrane sees the silhouette of the Enterprise-E. This leads to the first deep space explorer of UESPA, now Starfleet, being called Enterprise and not at all resembling its counterpart in the true timeline, the SS Endeavour.
Meanwhile, Picard's meeting with James Kirk has convinced him that, unlike Kirk, he's ready to start a family of his own. His own career continued after roughly the same number of years that Kirk's did before the latter retired. Picard has been putting off his feelings for Beverly and decides to act on them.
Picard accepts promotion to admiral and the position of head of Starfleet Academy after he and Beverly marry. She becomes CMO of Starfleet Medical. Guests at their wedding include Robert, Jean-Luc's best man, and Rene, both of whom don't die in this timeline.
Riker is promoted to captain and accepts command of the Enterprise-D. Data is promoted to XO and Troi to second officer. She also gets a new title and her own department, now Chief Strategic Diplomacy Officer. After the Enterprise-D saves the Ba'ku homeworld, Riker and Troi resume their relationship.
Since the events of DS9's finale and Insurrection both happen in 2375, I'm fudging things here a bit:
Sisko is declared MIA and Kira takes command of DS9. She promotes Worf to commander and makes him her XO. Nog is the station's new Chief of Operations.
The Enterprise-D is ordered to investigate reports of a coup on Romulus, rerouting them from their mission to deliver the Picard family (Jean-Luc, Beverly, and their daughter, Tasha) to a conference. The reunited friends work together to stop Lore, who was stolen by Romulan agents for study. He eventually regained consciousness, wiped out the Senate, and named himself the new head of the Romulan Star Empire. The new, post-Lore Romulan regime takes the first steps toward peace with the Federation in light of these events and their alliance during the Dominion War.
The final film ends with old friends sharing drinks in Ten Forward, with Riker and Troi announcing that they are expecting their first child, a son: Jean-Luc Riker.
Kirk and his command crew are aboard the Enterprise-B, including Captain Sulu. The Enterprise-B's captain is Kevin Reilly.
Generations happens very differently. Long story short, an act of heroism on Kirk's part saves the Enterprise-B while also trapping him in interphase again. He remains there for 87 years, though it's mere seconds for him. He reunites with Spock, McCoy, and Scotty, and helps Picard and his crew defeat a Romulan plot. He lives on into the 24th century, during which time 60 is still considered very young.
The Enterprise-D's saucer section is beyond repair, but thankfully, the stardrive survives a battle with Romulans, not Klingons. The stardrive is refit and joined with a new, smaller saucer, one that doesn't have room for families. Also, this refit Enterprise-D is designed by Andrew Probert, NOT John Eaves. Also, Data does not receive Soong's emotion chip, but experiences his first "natural" emotions when the Enterprise's saucer crashes. He will later learn that his father programmed him to evolve emotions over time, as well as the ability to appear "aged" after a certain period of time and growth.
Worf goes to DS9 as in the divergent timeline while the refit E-D continues on several new adventures, one of which includes the threat of Borg who survived "The Descent," now hell-bent on wiping out all life in the galaxy. Time travel is not involved here, but in the alternate timeline, that Picard's crew alter their own timeline when Zephram Cochrane sees the silhouette of the Enterprise-E. This leads to the first deep space explorer of UESPA, now Starfleet, being called Enterprise and not at all resembling its counterpart in the true timeline, the SS Endeavour.
Meanwhile, Picard's meeting with James Kirk has convinced him that, unlike Kirk, he's ready to start a family of his own. His own career continued after roughly the same number of years that Kirk's did before the latter retired. Picard has been putting off his feelings for Beverly and decides to act on them.
Picard accepts promotion to admiral and the position of head of Starfleet Academy after he and Beverly marry. She becomes CMO of Starfleet Medical. Guests at their wedding include Robert, Jean-Luc's best man, and Rene, both of whom don't die in this timeline.
Riker is promoted to captain and accepts command of the Enterprise-D. Data is promoted to XO and Troi to second officer. She also gets a new title and her own department, now Chief Strategic Diplomacy Officer. After the Enterprise-D saves the Ba'ku homeworld, Riker and Troi resume their relationship.
Since the events of DS9's finale and Insurrection both happen in 2375, I'm fudging things here a bit:
Sisko is declared MIA and Kira takes command of DS9. She promotes Worf to commander and makes him her XO. Nog is the station's new Chief of Operations.
The Enterprise-D is ordered to investigate reports of a coup on Romulus, rerouting them from their mission to deliver the Picard family (Jean-Luc, Beverly, and their daughter, Tasha) to a conference. The reunited friends work together to stop Lore, who was stolen by Romulan agents for study. He eventually regained consciousness, wiped out the Senate, and named himself the new head of the Romulan Star Empire. The new, post-Lore Romulan regime takes the first steps toward peace with the Federation in light of these events and their alliance during the Dominion War.
The final film ends with old friends sharing drinks in Ten Forward, with Riker and Troi announcing that they are expecting their first child, a son: Jean-Luc Riker.
It really doesn't, apparently. I mean, all the continuity nazis are constantly told continuity does not matter, except in the broad strokes. Broad strokes, of course, are also open to interpretation. The mantra appears to be don't let continuity get in the way of storytelling.
Continuity does not matter.
I hope that's the case, because "let's finally get rid of the character to give Picard a growth moment and Q a touching farewell but then reverse the decision because reasons and won't it be cool to see him again" was one of the things about Season 3 I actually detested.
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