Picard film in development
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New sets? Yes. (The E-G gets a "refit"
)New props? Yes.
Pike went through two uniforms on Disco!
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New sets? Yes. (The E-G gets a "refit"
New props? Yes.
Pike went through two uniforms on Disco!
Actually it's the same uniform painted yellow.
Actually it's the same uniform painted yellow.
What was the point?
For all intents and purposes, they're two different uniforms (The collar in the first picture is blue. The collar in the second picture is black.)
Clarity.
Same problem they had in Disco S3 (the cast kept blending into the sets).
That wasn't quite the definition of 'clarity' that I was referring to, but I like where you took it.
That wasn't quite the definition of 'clarity' that I was referring to, but I like where you took it.
It's a recurring problem on Trek (it's the reason Seven of Nine swapped out her silver catsuit for a blue one on Voyager).
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I'd actually be in favour of one last Picard outing, as long as it wasn't a full TNG outing, or another "Legacy" backdoor. Mostly because the S3 finale felt more like a second TNG finale than an actual Star Trek: Picard finale.
I certainly would welcome a legacy series, but I feel Picard could do with its own ending. However, with his Q trial over and the Borg finished, I'm not sure where else there would be to go that would be meaningful enough to justify.
I certainly would welcome a legacy series, but I feel Picard could do with its own ending. However, with his Q trial over and the Borg finished, I'm not sure where else there would be to go that would be meaningful enough to justify.
Star Trek: The Wrath of Laris.
Followed up by Star Trek: The Search for Soji.
Yeah I think it might be better served being a bit more straight Picard-centric, but I took share the concern of... what do we actually DO with it?
The only thing I can think of would be a Romulan thing, since Romulan's defined the later part of his life.
- The Romulan evacuation, both as his personal failure, and how Starfleet changed for the worse after it
- That whole Bajoran Reckoning tablet in the S2 trailer that was never addressed, that looked like it would have leaned on Picard’s interest in archeology
- Being a father figure to Soji and Elnor, post- S3
- Getting back to being an explorer - which he lamented about no longer being in INS - and going through the transwarp hub to the Delta Quadrant, to make sure the Borg are truly gone
- How he would be treated by the extradimensional synth alliance, due to now having a synth body
There are a few directions they could go in. Absolutely none of them need the TNG cast back, save maybe - maybe - a cameo at Picard's wedding, or them coming to Picard's rescue. And every single one of these directions would give a reason for the PIC S1-2 cast to come back, or for every single one of Matalas’s wishlist to be the film’s supporting cast.
This one could be interesting, and the general idea may be the way to go.
If we do a Picard movie, why not make it a true conclusion to the Picard show? Tie in a few things.
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All three of those things could culminate in a movie... the Matalas' background from the S2 rift was that it was a diversionary tactic by the Queen so she could sneak into Sol. But... it never actually made it to screen. Why not have the S2 rift be the S1 Aliens coming back... there's no real reason why they should just be like "Whelp, Synths asked for our help, but our portal got closed so oh well I guess"... no, they'd have been spending time trying to get back over here.
So now yeah, we now have an interesting scenario where we can bring in Picard, Data and Soji to be the envoys who can tell them "Hey wait, WE are synths, and we're pretty cool with the organics...", and then you have Volunteer Borg who can be like "Hey, we're partly synth, and we're pretty cool with the organics too."
We can have a B-Plot about what's going with Laris and/or Beverly.
The point was to try to actually somewhat align with what had been previously established.
We already knew Enterprise had different uniforms because... we saw them. Yeah they don't look the same, but at least they were moving towards acknowledging it.
Star Trek does need a film where the “boring speech” works for a change, instead of phasers and photon torpedoes. And barring that, the defector dIsh, to close any open rift, like what the extradimensional synth alliance comes through.
Zhat Vash can bring the pew-pew action. And it can be a more diverse fleet this time, with Klingons, Gorn and Fenris Rangers among them. Why not add some Cardassians, Bajorans, Trill, Haliians, Bolians, Tellarites, Andorians, Orions, and Hirogen to the Zhat Vash ranks as well, to make it more interesting and show the spread of the movement since S1? That way, they can be a mirror to Starfleet and Picard can tell Starfleet, “this is what you’ve become!’
Going back to S1 would allow for some exposition from Picard regarding the evacuation (i.e. Yuyat Beta), so we can understand what went wrong and why Starfleet needed to build the synth ferries in the first place.
As for Laris and Beverly, they can deal with the lingering rogue Changeling threat. Laris was supposed to be setting up diplomatic security, so meeting Beverly and setting up anti-Changeling defenses with her would be a reasonable arc.
I don't think they need to go super heavy into it, but the explanation from the novel worked well enough I thought and could most be summed up in a line of dialouge.
It described that they needed to build alot of ships, quickly. While the lions share of the work could be just normally automated, there are several starship components that required skilled laborers to assemble. It never goes super indepth as to WHAT and WHY, just that there are components that require a skilled hand that can problem solve. They just didn't have enough people to do it, and training took much longer than they had.
So Maddox was kind of enlisted to help work on it, and while he still couldn't get his positronic brain working properly, he coat-tailed on the bio-neural gel pack technology to fill in some of the gaps.
Tl;dr, they needed a much larger skilled workforce to build enough ships to evacuate the Romulans.
There IS an inherent problem in this era of Trek of asking... why not just use holograms? My preemptive answer to that question is probably that an actual sentient, truly problem solving hologram is rare and steps have almost certainly been taken by that point to prevent it from happening, to avoid a Moriarty situation. The vast majority of Holograms just APPEAR to problem solve and such, it's all just straight programming, and they're limited by the computer core... the more holograms you have going, the more they're splitting computing power.
Of course the next question is then, why not just build more computer cores? I assume the answer creates something of a circle... they COULD just build more computer cores in order to have holograms doing all of this, but building the computer cores would take just as much, if not more, resources than building the synths.
Storywise for this hypothetical continuation, I think it would be interesting to echo Season 1 to some extent and have Picard basically having to go rogue again, and alot of people siding with the non-Picard side. Here's my idea:
The Jurati Borg know what the rift is. They didn't have time to explain, but they know. We pick up with them still standing guard, but they know they can't hold it forever. They appeal to Picard to try something, and he knows he needs to try to communicate with them.
Starfleet pretty much tells Picard... no. No way. First off, Picard is a synth now. He wants to take Soji, the synth who helped initiate the call to these aliens in the first place, and Data... who is also a "synth" and has the pattern of the scientist who helped create many of those synths... to help THE BORG open the rift to "talk to" the aliens who wanted to destroy all organic life the galaxy? Are you out of your mind, Picard?
Then yeah, the Zhat Vash get wind of this and are ready for Round 2.
I don't really know it all ends, but it has to be peaceful. The only thing i've got on the top of my head is Picard goes into their realm to act as a sort of ambassador. I have a nugget of an idea that puts a twist on things, not fully formed, but perhaps there's something there with the Borg "virus" thing that infected all the young people... while the Borg were using it to try to assimilate the Federation, it actually had some kind of unforseen benefit, and also have the Reaper Aliens have a not-so-evil motivation. EXACTLY what, i'm not sure.
I still think they briefly need to discuss what happened in the lead up to the attack on Mars and subsequent supernova.
By discussing what happened in the years prior to those events (maybe Picard is talking to Jack or Data), that the Romulans (i.e. the regime) were only thinking of themselves and did not care about the many other species they had subjugated being evacuated at all, then it gives a sense Starfleet was very annoyed by the selfish actions of the Romulans. As Starfleet did not have the logistics they thought they had to evacuate everyone, as well as keep on doing various Starfleet activities. That’s where the ferries were to come in. That’s why Admiral Clancy says they did not have enough ships, even after see Starfleet engage in mass production of starships during the Dominion War. It doesn’t absolve Starfleet for giving up, but it allows the viewer to see the evacuation from their perspective as well. And even gives a bit of context as to why some member worlds wanted to leave the Federation beyond helping out a hated foe or fear of refugees.
And then acknowledge that Picard stood up for the other species, protested their planned abandonment by the Romulan government, and was imprisoned by various Romulan governors for it (basically giving the origins of Picard's friendship with Raffi, Laris and Zhaban in the process), would then also add weight to Beverly’s words as to why she did not tell Picard about Jack – his life being in danger all the time. All stemming from Picard’s role in the Romulan evacuation.
It brings the whole story full circle.
There’s also the possibility that the Doctor could be a leading hologram civil rights activist. So, its “easier” to fall back on an android workforce.
This seems good.
It's a recurring problem on Trek (it's the reason Seven of Nine swapped out her silver catsuit for a blue one on Voyager).
I thought they put her in the Blue/Grey, Red and Brown onsies because should couldn’t breathe in that silver thing. not because she clashed with the background.
It was the full Borg suit that gave her breathing problems, not the catsuit.
Jeri said the Silver catsuit was so tight in the neck and too tight the corset it made hard for her to breath and made her pass out. I remember reading about it in an old interview in an old Star trek Communicator magazine I got some where ..It caused her alot of problems so they designed other catsuits for her to wear on Voyager
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