Moments on TNG that make you cringe.
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En 1987 tng the first generation arrived directly to the videoclubs in VHS/beta distributed by cic video.
They release Seven tapes with two episode in every tape, the traslation was insane, and actor dub voices change in every tape. This dub never go outside the VHS, tng was redubbed for TV in the 90 thats It the dub used today.
In the first encounter with the ferengis picard tell:
"Forenges of the ship, i'm captain jhon picard of the ship enterprise".
Amd riker nods satisfied
In another tape they chosse to dub Worf the actor that dub b.a in A-team and chosse the actor the dub murdock in the A-team to dub riker.
When riker speak with worf you thing you are watching the A-team instead of star Trek and you wait Aníbal Smith appear in a corner.
They release Seven tapes with two episode in every tape, the traslation was insane, and actor dub voices change in every tape. This dub never go outside the VHS, tng was redubbed for TV in the 90 thats It the dub used today.
In the first encounter with the ferengis picard tell:
"Forenges of the ship, i'm captain jhon picard of the ship enterprise".
Amd riker nods satisfied
In another tape they chosse to dub Worf the actor that dub b.a in A-team and chosse the actor the dub murdock in the A-team to dub riker.
When riker speak with worf you thing you are watching the A-team instead of star Trek and you wait Aníbal Smith appear in a corner.
Such delicate sensibilities.
The Skant uniform was cringe on anybody no matter whom they were or what gender they were. It even looked crap and awkward on Troi and Tasha in the pilot.
This had several reasons:
1) It looked silly as a professional uniform and unpractical. The short sleeves, the exposed legs, the go-go boots. No, just nooooo.
2) Even when viewed in a vacuum it is both badly designed and badly tailored. It's shapeless, creates an unattractive, boxy silhouette and the lack of any seam at the end of the "skirt" makes it seem like they just randomly cut the fabric.(When they dressed "past Troi" in All Good Things in a skant again it was actually a new one that addressed the silhouette thing, by tightening it around Marina Sirtis' hips, which improved the look, but didn't address the other problems)
3) The skirt part is just too damn short. Both on men and on women. Even if we ignore the in-universe situations like the fact that if anybody went up a Jeffrey's tube in one of those things you are basically showing the person below you your underwear, even the pilot has poor Marina Sirtis constantly clamping her legs together in every bridge scene in a desperate attempt not to flash the audience.
Men is skirts can look very good and there are several traditional garbs that form a Western POV looks like men in "skirts"(yes, there's more than the kilt) I'm fond of wearing long wrap skirts in the summer.
Also a skirt variant to a professional uniform can look good as well, but the Skant just wasn't one of those instances.
My easiest solution, if someone really tried to "save" the TNG Skant, would have been to lengthen the skirt for both the female and male variants down to (or almost down to) the knee, add a pair of black leggings, and exchange those damn go-go boots for the standard Starfleet shoes. Maybe also lengthen the sleeves to full sleeves.
So basically what Pulaski was wearing during her tenure on the ship.
This had several reasons:
1) It looked silly as a professional uniform and unpractical. The short sleeves, the exposed legs, the go-go boots. No, just nooooo.
2) Even when viewed in a vacuum it is both badly designed and badly tailored. It's shapeless, creates an unattractive, boxy silhouette and the lack of any seam at the end of the "skirt" makes it seem like they just randomly cut the fabric.(When they dressed "past Troi" in All Good Things in a skant again it was actually a new one that addressed the silhouette thing, by tightening it around Marina Sirtis' hips, which improved the look, but didn't address the other problems)
3) The skirt part is just too damn short. Both on men and on women. Even if we ignore the in-universe situations like the fact that if anybody went up a Jeffrey's tube in one of those things you are basically showing the person below you your underwear, even the pilot has poor Marina Sirtis constantly clamping her legs together in every bridge scene in a desperate attempt not to flash the audience.
Men is skirts can look very good and there are several traditional garbs that form a Western POV looks like men in "skirts"(yes, there's more than the kilt) I'm fond of wearing long wrap skirts in the summer.
Also a skirt variant to a professional uniform can look good as well, but the Skant just wasn't one of those instances.
My easiest solution, if someone really tried to "save" the TNG Skant, would have been to lengthen the skirt for both the female and male variants down to (or almost down to) the knee, add a pair of black leggings, and exchange those damn go-go boots for the standard Starfleet shoes. Maybe also lengthen the sleeves to full sleeves.
So basically what Pulaski was wearing during her tenure on the ship.
"Unification 1" stumbles along - they feign to be dead, with full life support, scanners, and bridge lighting systems fully active (of course) and since they've never had to expend energy on equipment that would damper their systems to anyone scanning them. More amazingly, what's a state-of-the-art ship doing in a junk yard when every other ship is a century old? They're lucky the enemy ship coming in doesn't scan the system they're about to show up in. As the inevitable battle starts, we see a vantage point where said enemy ship should have seen the light glowing from the dome above the bridge! This is beyond season 1-level of plot-skimming and most of season 1's examples have better reasons to skim, such as that they were trying to build their universe... A shame as a lot of "Unification 1" actually holds up. (Pt 2, of course, has Wile E. Sela to contend with, a unique and otherwise awesome character utterly squandered and later Romulan episodes would have benefitted from a Sela not being reduced to a cartoon. )
The skant just about worked in the 1960s, but it's definitely too much a product of its time to have carried over with any seriousness, much less misinterpretation from younger audiences who likely (but not always) understand the intended meanings and context of the time. Plus, seeing the Romulan Commander wearing a similar get-up and I wouldn't be too surprised if she and the extras were dancing to Nancy Sinatra songs between takes, like this:
Nice ideas to fix it. Season 2 was on the right step, but by season 3 the skants were nixed completely.
But also consider how the kilt has often been "out of fashion", save for generally historical recreations and cultural celebrations. Please let me know when dress codes allow people to wear them again...Sorry for the background music, whose "trite cue cutesie and/or laughs" melody occasionally distracts from the spoken word (ostensibly the important stuff) rather than complements, but at least isn't constant or overly loud in volume... and at 5:00 for a while (if nowhere else), the rabid camera angle changes are almost epilepsy-inducing. Whine aside, it's still a 95% cool educational video.
In 'Emergence' the Enterprise is almost destroyed because sensors didn't detech dangerous particles on the ships hull.
Data explains sensors aren't desingned to detect theta flux distortions.
um, what? Aren't sensors designed to detect, well, everything?
Even if it's something completely new shouldn't sensors say something?
If theta flux distortions are something completely new Data sure had a name to call them with.
Basically, those distortions have a name so they know they exist but sensors aren't designed to detect them, what?
Data explains sensors aren't desingned to detect theta flux distortions.
um, what? Aren't sensors designed to detect, well, everything?
Even if it's something completely new shouldn't sensors say something?
If theta flux distortions are something completely new Data sure had a name to call them with.
Basically, those distortions have a name so they know they exist but sensors aren't designed to detect them, what?
I was expecting him to be torn limb from limb for that comment, interestingly nothing at all happened.
I chose to counter it by talking about the scant and why it didn't work on anybody, and my own ideas on skirts and skirt-like garments.
Let's just move on.
I mean, that unfortunately is the function of so many devices in Trek is to break. The biofilter lets some unknown pathogen through because otherwise we couldn't have a story.
The transporter breaks down because otherwise we couldn't strand the crew.
Etc.
'Emergence' is a nice episode so I think I'll let that one slide. It's just a line or two.
While it's not the best episode it's still a good one and considering that there has been a lot of season 7 hate around here lately it's nice to have a good one from that season.
And it's not the only good one from season 7.
I give "Emergence" credit for having a pretty unique premise... the Enterprise herself giving birth. Which is essentially what happened.
Only other time I've ever seen a starship actually give birth was Moya on FARSCAPE.
Too bad Crais "stole" that ship but that's another discussion, I'm just letting a poster known as Farscape-something know that I'm pretty familiar with that series. =)
Duly noted. And highly approved.
I knew there was a reason I liked you.
One of the best final scenes in sci-fi. Pure Anti-cringe.
And its approach towards sexual themes varied between "50s prudish morality" and "frat boys having a party". Not to mention the implication that all non-cisgender people have been silently disappeared...
This.
The older I get the more hesitant I become to re-watch the show because I know I'll roll my eyes at its outdatedness in those regards in particular. I used to be able to overlook those shortcomings because I focused on Jean-Luc only, but eh, not anymore. TNG gives me "you aren't meant to enjoy this show, we didn't want you as an audience, which is why we never represented you" vibes.
Yep. It's one thing to watch, I don't know, Magnum PI (the original version). You know it's sexist and chauvinistic because it's a perfect representation of its time (but I loved an episode where he meets an old female friend from college and, well, THEY REMAIN FRIENDS! Without even an ounce of sexual tension and are perfectly happy to be "just friends ". For the 80s it was revolutionary!).
But TNG? Where the characters repeated about 3 times per episode how they had evolved and discrimination was a thing of the past? I mean, they basically bullied three poor 20th century guys by telling them over and over what bad, unevolved people they were in one episode (Which I found in bad taste. I wouldn't tell someone from the 17th century that their views are out of date). It was hypocritical to say the least.
Early TNG definitely gave me a weird vibe about how they approached humanity. There was this "holier than thou" attitude that I was often accused of having as a teen and young adult that I found offputting.
