What is your personal head canon?

[cooleddie74]

Khan and his Augments were tried in absentia and condemned to death but escaped prosecution by using a DY-100-class sleeper ship to escape into space and away from both Earth and their judges. I don't for a minute buy that Earth's courts after the Eugenics Wars sentenced Khan and 84 other Augments to be packed into a cryogenic sleeper ship like sardines and just shot into space to drift, asleep and prone to being awakened at some point where they could resume their dictatorial and aggressive behaviors.

Khan was right in "Space Seed(TOS)." They escaped. They wanted to seek a new life. They wanted to get away, mostly from the world governments who had ruled them eligible for execution or imprisonment for launching the bloodiest wars since 1945.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

What was the plan? Set the cryochambers to wake them at a pre-determined time?

 

[cooleddie74]

Probably. Then the equipment's timing program didn't work properly thanks to being relics of that era so they remained in stasis for more than 200 years.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

They didn't necessarily know if aliens existed so they figured it would be a sleeper ship trip for them until they located a suitable world to live on.

 

[cooleddie74]

And no matter what happened to them in outer space they'd outwitted their enemies. They lost the wars but survived to fight another day.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Probably. Then the equipment's timing program didn't work properly thanks to being relics of that era so they remained in stasis for more than 200 years.

"The year is 1996, and UESPA launches the last of Earth's deep space sleeper ships. In a freak mishap, the SS Botany Bay and its pilot, Captain Khan 'Noonien' Singh, are blown out of their trajectory into an orbit which freezes his life support systems, and returns Khan and his followers to Earth... two hundred years later."

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[BillJ]

Probably. Then the equipment's timing program didn't work properly thanks to being relics of that era so they remained in stasis for more than 200 years.

Damned VCR timer.

 

[Shat Happens]

Khan and his Augments were tried in absentia and condemned to death but escaped prosecution by using a DY-100-class sleeper ship to escape into space and away from both Earth and their judges. I don't for a minute buy that Earth's courts after the Eugenics Wars sentenced Khan and 84 other Augments to be packed into a cryogenic sleeper ship like sardines and just shot into space to drift, asleep and prone to being awakened at some point where they could resume their dictatorial and aggressive behaviors.

Khan was right in "Space Seed(TOS)." They escaped. They wanted to seek a new life. They wanted to get away, mostly from the world governments who had ruled them eligible for execution or imprisonment for launching the bloodiest wars since 1945.

What was the plan? Set the cryochambers to wake them at a pre-determined time?

"The year is 1996, and UESPA launches the last of Earth's deep space sleeper ships. In a freak mishap, the SS Botany Bay and its pilot, Captain Khan 'Noonien' Singh, are blown out of their trajectory into an orbit which freezes his life support systems, and returns Khan and his followers to Earth... two hundred years later."

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Damned VCR timer.

Khan and his gang were actually literally over 200 years old by Kirk's time. Same for their crimes. They certainly prescribed.

Probably the Federation amended their laws after the fact, to provide for future eventual thawed frozen historic war criminals, but Khan was clear from all charges.

 

[fireproof78]

Time travel sucks.

 

[cooleddie74]

Count Rugen: "I've just sucked over 200 years of your life away. How do you feel?"

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Time travel sucks.

I know that's how you feel about Time Travel in general.

I'm obviously on the other side of the fence, I LOVE Time Travel.

 

[fireproof78]

I know that's how you feel about Time Travel in general.

I'm obviously on the other side of the fence, I LOVE Time Travel.

Well, specifically how laws no longer apply.

 

[Citiprime]

I think, for me, it's not time travel stories per se. It's how time travel is handled. There has to be some structure, rules, and consequences for it to work within the larger universe.

The Temporal Cold War storyline (and arguably even before that there were numerous examples) but I think when you make time travel too "easy" to do, or set it up as an option that could materially remake the universe the characters inhabit, then you basically have it laying around in the background like a loaded gun where the audience thinks to themselves: "Well, why don't they use [technobabble X from episode 27] and time travel to fix this?"

I tend to wish Star Trek would just retcon into the idea established by Star Trek (2009). Basically, the version of time travel the MCU has with Avengers: Endgame, that time travel can't change the timeline and universe you inhabit but pushes the time traveler into another universe where those events occurred differently because of the time travel.

And I will say that Discovery introduced something that I really like, which is the idea that time travel and travel across universes is "unnatural" and your body will want to return to its own time. I just think it makes things more interesting when there's limits, rules, and complications.

 

[Rahul]

My headcanon is that all of Trek lore between now and ENT is kind of fuzzy & wrong.
(Which ironically was kind of hinted at in SNW's "Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow".
I don't think WW3 took place the way we all assume (nuclear exchange of nation states - I think Pike simply lied there in the pilot to get the aliens to agree).
Currently I think WW3 was more like a global civil war/break down of civilization. Maybe even no nukes at all, just reactor catastrophies, who knows.
And all that - WW3, Eugenic Wars, Q's trials, sanctuary district, first contact,... - in my mind all these shouldn't have "fixed" dates, more like broad strokes. That's what they invented "Stardates" for in the first place, to not accidentally date their show (which has now happened plenty in hundreds of hours of television).

 

[BillJ]

Well, specifically how laws no longer apply.

Were there ever laws for it?

 

[fireproof78]

Were there ever laws for it?

To clarify, that there are time travels (like Khan, inadvertent as it may be) were laws for crimes no longer apply. Similarly, with the Discovery crew, they broke the law but didn't know it.

Do theft laws apply to Ramussusin (sp?) when he jacked a time pod and ran off with it?

How do you enforce law with time travel?

 

[BillJ]

To clarify, that there are time travels (like Khan, inadvertent as it may be) were laws for crimes no longer apply. Similarly, with the Discovery crew, they broke the law but didn't know it.

Do theft laws apply to Ramussusin (sp?) when he jacked a time pod and ran off with it?

How do you enforce law with time travel?

I was thinking more of the out-of-universe mechanics, I got lost.

 

[fireproof78]

I was thinking more of the out-of-universe mechanics, I got lost.

Sorry. The in-universe implications frustrate me to no end. There's no accountability, no responsibility, no way to manage laws broken. "oh, you went back in time? Eh, no big deal. I'm sure there will be no consequences for your behavior."

 

[BillJ]

The in-universe implications frustrate me to no end. There's no accountability, no responsibility, no way to manage laws broken. "oh, you went back in time? Eh, no big deal. I'm sure there will be no consequences for your behavior."

I thought there was a Temporal Prime Directive? Though if it is as ignored as often as the regular Prime Directive, the universe is fucked.

 

[fireproof78]

I thought there was a Temporal Prime Directive? Though if it is as ignored as often as the regular Prime Directive, the universe is fucked.

"Captain, in the future, try to avoid time travel."

Series finale: Janeway time travels.

Yup, she sure listens real good.