What is your personal head canon?
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Whose excusing it? We all know that the film gets rolling over a mistake, by someone to not do their job.
By saying that Chekov has brain damage, Kirk failed to log it, they didn't analyze the star charts, the Federation didn't notice a planet exploding.
It's nonsensical.
I think people are trying to explain the breakdown.
two mistakes. If Spock had done his Science Officer job, and told Kirk the planet number 5 was likely to explode six months from then, Kirk would not have left Khan there.
That's why I cheer whenever I rewatch II, when the green blooded hobgoblin gets his well deserved radiation poisoning.
It's all his fault
You should struggle with it, since "Space Seed" clearly shows us that's not what happened. Saying that Kirk didn't tell anyone about it is nonsensical.
He was. And he said he was in the episode.
Or he just, y'know, forgot the name of a planet over the course of 15 years.
Actually 18 years. I know the movie says otherwise but the chronology now says 18.
I conjecture that 15 years on Ceti Alpha V is the equivalent of 18 on Earth and shipboard on Starfleet vessels.
I conjecture that 15 years on Ceti Alpha V is the equivalent of 18 on Earth and shipboard on Starfleet vessels.
I know I'm committing a sin here, but, if I have two characters in the same movie mention the same amount for something, I'm going to go with the characters.
Nerd.
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Yeah, I'm going with what the movie actually says. And I bet money that if they made another ST project that referred to the gap in time between "Space Seed" and TWOK, they'd still say it was 15 years.
Exactly. Both Kirk and Khan say it's been 15 years, and it'd been 15 years in real life as well. No reason to doubt them just because the Okudas said differently in a tie-in book.
I don't believe it was kept a secret. There is no reason to do so. Kirk didn't do anything illegal.
Yes, it should have been flagged in some file and cross referenced so that anytime someone called up the file on Ceti Alpha there should have been a note about Khan. Obviously there wasn't.
Chalk it up to bureaucracy. Maybe poor record keeping on the part of Statfleet.
So for those of us who like to keep track of years, how would going from 18 years to 15 years affect the chronology? Increase the gap between TFF and TUC? Move TUC back a few years before the launch of the Ent-B? Or just move TOS ahead?
Kirk reported to Starfleet that he dropped on a deserted planet the worst dictator from the 20th century that was key in the Eugenics Wars. Does Starfleet make this common knowledge or do they classify it? If public, then I see reporters and radicals visiting Khan for his historical take on late 20th century issues or rescuing him to start a new anti-federation movement. No, Starfleet would classify the Khan reports and logs to prevent dredging up Khan. Starfleet library records would not show any info about Khan and Ceti Alpha, and it may have disinformation on the subject like, "Ceti Alpha 5 is mostly deserted wasteland populated with large insects with no potential resources of note. Same with Ceti Alpha 6 but devoid of life (which is the truth)."
Without prompting Chekov specifically about Khan, Chekov probably only remembered that early in his career, they dropped Khan and followers (his Russian history lessons never covered the Khan topic because it wasn't about Russia
) off on some deserted planet..."but I don't remember its name." I wouldn't expect Chekov to remember all the names of the several hundred star systems and planets he visited over his busy career.Later, the Reliant is looking for "deserted planets with no life" and Ceti Alpha 6 comes up. The rest of library info on the Ceti Alpha system is surprisingly sparse. Chekov doesn't remember the system especially since the information of the system is different from his actual memories. They warp directly into the system close to the location of the planet, and look only for Ceti Alpha 6 where they find a planet that mostly matched its sparse data on the subject. Then they focus their scanning efforts on the planet they think is Ceti Alpha 6. Carol Marcus is on their asses, big time, so they are also rushed. The large asteroid belt on the other side of the sun may not be of concern and the fact it is not on the charts is not odd since the library info is again so sparse.
I do a little of both to make it 15 years: I move Space Seed to 2268 (after all, season one was two years based on Stardates
); and I put TWOK in 2283. Yes, the Okudas got it wrong. 
YMMV
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Yep, this is pretty much what I do, too.I do a little of both to make it 15 years: I move Space Seed to 2268 (after all, season one was two years based on Stardates
Khan was nor considered the worst and Kirk and Scotty both expressed some admiration.
Think about this on an Occam's Razor level....
If tomorrow we found out that instead of dying in the bunker, Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun were exiled to a secluded island off the coast of Argentina with some of their loyalists, which would people be more likely to believe?
That some Allied officials had made the decision and maybe kept it off the books, or a coincidence of errors "accidentally" lost all the official records of the incident where nobody knew or remembered until the US Navy stumbled across the island years later?
If tomorrow we found out that instead of dying in the bunker, Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun were exiled to a secluded island off the coast of Argentina with some of their loyalists, which would people be more likely to believe?
That some Allied officials had made the decision and maybe kept it off the books, or a coincidence of errors "accidentally" lost all the official records of the incident where nobody knew or remembered until the US Navy stumbled across the island years later?
Worst dictator still alive from the 20th century.
Just because he wasn't the worst does not mean he isn't a danger. He took over the Enterprise in a few hours, if he hasn't overplayed his hand, he could have done quite a bit of damage.
Neither one.
Of course he's dangerous. And apparently admirable too.Worst dictator still alive from the 20th century.
Just because he wasn't the worst does not mean he isn't a danger. He took over the Enterprise in a few hours, if he hasn't overplayed his hand, he could have done quite a bit of damage.
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