Picard film in development
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Fan wishes do not belive in budgets.And I thought PIC S3 busted the budget.
My eyes!
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I never said it was good.
And its not my responsibility to write the movie anyways.
And I thought PIC S3 busted the budget.
Considering all Terry wanted in S3, I do not know how he'd make it work. He was lucky to get the Ent-D bridge rebuilt as it is.
Even if they reused the Ent-G bridge set for Titan-B, Stargazer and Voy-B, or they had everyone solely on the Ent-D, there's still all the CGI as well. Its still amount to the same amount it takes to make a full season of PIC, even though the likely idea with the P+ movies is like to only spend 1/5th of that. And I haven't discussed managing screen time for everyone involved either.
That's likely a factor as to why there's no news or movement on Legacy. How do you pay for it and still do the things Terry wants to do with the show?
They need to prioritize and figure out what it absolutely essential to the stories they are telling.
EDIT: To expand on that thought, PIC has four characters that have been in all seasons: Picard, Seven, Raffi, & Laris. I’d imagine they’d all be in a PIC movie by default, along with Spiner who has been in all season of PIC too as Data and various Soong family members.
A PIC film would likely have Riker, Troi, Geordi, Worf, Beverly, Sydney, Alandra, Soji (for the moment with Data), and the Ent-G crew, minus T’Veen. It might have Jack too, depending on when its set (before 2402 or after 2402).
From there, there aren’t many spots left; if on average there were 20-22 roles per season of PIC, then there are only 3-5 spots left to fill. Terry’s wishlist for special appearances is more than 5. Kira, Jake Sisko, Harry Kim, Janeway, Naomi, Alexander, The Doctor – that’s 7 different character sthat could make an appearance. And does not include the possibility of Q, Jurati, Kestra (who could replace T'Veen on the Ent-G, tbh) or a Borg Queen played by Emily Hampshire (Terry talked about this casting choice in his Reddit AMA last year). Or any other character. Some are going to get excluded.
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At one point, Picard had over thirty producers!
(P+ has since cut it back to seven.)
Sir Patrick's salary as actor and EP alone accounted for ten percent of the budget. There are ways to make significant cuts to the budget relatively painlessly.
A feature length movie by nature would cost the better part of a full season of modern trek.
Without the TNG cast, the price drops significantly.
Before anything can be done, the studio needs to approve a story, format, budget and length. Call it $80-$100m for 10 episodes. Labor is more expensive in Hollywood than Toronto, so you would either have to increase the budget or decrease the items you are willing to pay for.
That likely means no high profile Berman Trek characters coming back (still miffed they didn't bring back Colm Meaney for Lower Decks S3E1) maybe an occasional cameo.
Without the TNG cast, the price drops significantly.
Before anything can be done, the studio needs to approve a story, format, budget and length. Call it $80-$100m for 10 episodes. Labor is more expensive in Hollywood than Toronto, so you would either have to increase the budget or decrease the items you are willing to pay for.
That likely means no high profile Berman Trek characters coming back (still miffed they didn't bring back Colm Meaney for Lower Decks S3E1) maybe an occasional cameo.
Other than Seven of Nine ...
They do that all the time, I think.
The issue is that Matalas has a wishlist. And has his ideas on what to follow up on in Legacy. All related to the Berman-verse
Yet, if this Picard movie is a backdoor pilot to Legacy, it needs to work as such. To sell people on Legacy.
Is Riker supposed to be an Admiral in the show? Then set it up in the movie.
Kestra is supposed to be on the Ent-G? Ok, have her take T’Veen’s spot.
Follow up on Cardassia and Bajor? Set it up. That’s where Kira and Jake would work. That’s where FNN would work too, with a couple of news blurbs, or Jake anchoring a news show. And even Picard as well, as he has history with both Cardassians and Bajorans.
Matalas wants to do something with Klingons? Set it up, that where Worf would work, since he is the Federation liaison to the Klingon Empire.
Something specific with Alexander? Then set it up with dialogue between Worf and Troi, and bring Raffi into the fold.
Wants a bunch of VOY cameos? Set it up. That why a mini reunion at the Fleet Museum works, to have them reminisce about Voyager, with Voyager in the background. Matalas can even use it to set up Harry Kim as captain of the Voy-B (and honestly, I don’t see how it steps on PRO’s toes to acknowledge Harry’s status in PIC, as PRO and PIC are set 20 years apart from each other.).
Even with Janeway, it should be possible to have a brief FNN highlight reel, like with Picard in “Remebrance”, or Picard’s still image in Children of Mars, if Mulgrew costs too much.
Naomi as a Fenris Ranger? Fine, acknowledge that she worked along side Seven facing down warlords from the Romulan Free State.
Matalas also wants Naomi to be this monster Seven created? Fine, set that up too. Have her working with rogue Changelings, or just not get along with Jack, or supported the Frontier Day takeover plot on some level. Or relate her turn to the loss of Icheb, the latter of which Seven could have a heart-to-heart with Raffi with. It would work very well with the idea of Seven wanting to carve out a better legacy for herself in the show.
He wants to acknowledge that Kira, Harry, Jake were present for Frontier Day when the attack happens? Then go for it. Maybe they have a therapy session with Troi related to the trauma from that day, or we see them all scheduled for a session with Troi.
But lots of people want the TNG cast to be a part of the movie. And fans are a lot more receptive to TNG and nostalgia for that, so every other alternative idea gets upended.
Paramount has also been trying to make the Star Trek Justice League/Avengers movie to happen for decades now, and S3 was the closet they got to it. They could actually make that movie, if they do not add the TNG cast. But for some reason, the TNG cast is central to a Justice League/Avengers style movie getting made.
That’s why they should be aiming more for a Defenders movie, which is like Justice League or Avengers, but on a lower budget.
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Congratulations. You've just laid out the most expensive Star Trek film ever made that absolutely nobody, save for hard-core Trekkies, will either watch or understand.
I mean seriously....
And what exactly is expensive about it? It keeps being thrown around, but no one is explaining what exactly is expensive, outside of the TNG cast.
A lot of it is dialogue, or production. I even provide alternative for character like Janeway, if Mulgrew is too expensive.
Please explain and provide evidence, since you presume I’m in over my head here and not based in reality at all.
Well first of all..... You want Patrick Stewart, who is expensive and won't seem to work outside of Los Angeles......So right there you got big money to spend on both SirPat and filming in L.A.
You want the TNG cast...... more big money.
You want to pad it out with every cameo you can possibly think of. Those people don't work for free.
Biggest of all, you keep comparing this to an Avengers/Defenders movie. Which means action, special effects, stunt work, etc.
All for a movie that the general public would not give two flying fucks about. The general public isn't gonna pay to see Worf or Riker's kid. The General public doesn't care about Cardassia or Bajor or seeing countless cameos of characters they don't know on some news broadcast.
Trekkies make up but a tiny fraction of a viewing audience for a movie in theaters. People don't want to need to read the Star Trek Encyclopedia before they watch a film.
Talk about a small universe ("Our science officer JUST happens to be the daughter of Admiral Picard's First Officer!"
)Seriously?
Leave her alone.
That's interesting ...
Making Naomi this young radical does offer interesting possibilities.
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Stewart did the interview months ago suggesting the film would be about all of them i.e. the TNG crew. And its the fans that want nostalgia that is driving this as well. And Paramount cannot be blamed if they follow through either, since S3 was met with positivity and critical acclaim, and they trust TNG with movies over something more original.
I don't. Matalas does. I understand that i cannot get everything that I want under the sun.
That being said, if there are some cameos that were supposed to in PIC that did not make the cut, it's worth exploring to see if its possible for some of these cameos to be in the movie.
No. Wrong. Its simply means a team up, based upon the crossover involving different characters from different series.
Matalas may be more ambitious, but Picard, Seven and a few other characters from a couple or more series in a think tank type of scene to solve a problem technically counts as an Avengers/Defenders teamup.
If its a P+ movie, it doesn't matter. Trekkies will watch no matter what.
And even if it was, I'm sure some moviegoers would welcome something different.
And Trek movies have already done stuff like this before anyways i.e. the blink-and-miss-it Dr. Boyce and Harry Mudd references in Into Darkness.
There's no evidence it will be in theaters at all, aside from maybe a private screening before release.
Talk about a small universe ("Our science officer JUST happens to be the daughter of Admiral Picard's First Officer!"
Seriously?
It would be better if T'Veen was replaced by Elnor, or a new Cardassian officer, or a Tamarian, or even a twin of T'Veen.
But if Kestra is going to be in Legacy, may as well get it out of the way now. Plus, she can always take a new position of the Ent-G later (i.e. Geordi, Worf, and O'Brien going from helm to chief engineer, chief of security and transporter chief, respectively)
That's interesting ...
Tell Matalas that.
Yes, they can because it's their choice.
Gladly. I love how people complain about "grimdark" fates for characters or characters not acting like 24th century humans but Matalas does it and its totally fine.
What's Alandra going to do?
I'd prefer to leave Kestra out and have Elnor be the security chief.
Alandra will likely be chief engineer.
I’ve been down this road too many times with FH.
Let the Wookiee win.
It’s honestly not worth it.
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