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Babylon 5

I kind of liked it. I would never in a million years argue that it was any good, but sometimes that's not relevant to whether I get some enjoyment out of something.



Now that, on the other hand, was one that (a) I would argue was about as close to objectively bad as something can be and (b) I really hated.



As I recall, having only watched it once, one of the Lost Tales stories tried to walk the line between supernatural and maybe not supernatural. The way I remember it, it fell over the line onto the supernatural side. And I was not thrilled that I had paid money to watch it. It's better than River of Souls, though only because it's over more quickly.

I viewed the inccubus from Lost Tales just to be a con man alien, like the Goul'd from Stargate.

The First Ones are gone, but where's the line? There could have been a species, who was just 50 years short of qualifying as a first One by Lorien.
 
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Well, I’m pretty sure it wasn’t an incubus, unless there’s an unrated version of TLT that I haven’t seen. But, yes, we saw a relatively small chunk of time and space on B5, it’s perfectly reasonable there were aliens that weren’t part of the League, or ancient energy beings that weren’t one of the nine First Ones we met (for instance, the guy that lived in the time rift in Sector 14 that possessed Sheridan).

The entity was referencing Catholic doctrine and folk-religion elements that aren’t strictly orthodox, but it had also lived on Earth for who knows how long. There are plenty of different explanations, ranging from “everything is as it claimed” to it having watched “The Exorcist” at an ancient film festival and realizing it could exploit the local mythology to get a ride off-planet.
 
Teller also played Amy's father on an episode of Big Bang Theory. The joke, IIRC, was that her mother (Kathy Bates) would never let him get a word in edgewise. But he did have a line or two.
He spoke quite a bit in one of his later episodes.
 
Well, I’m pretty sure it wasn’t an incubus, unless there’s an unrated version of TLT that I haven’t seen. But, yes, we saw a relatively small chunk of time and space on B5, it’s perfectly reasonable there were aliens that weren’t part of the League, or ancient energy beings that weren’t one of the nine First Ones we met (for instance, the guy that lived in the time rift in Sector 14 that possessed Sheridan).

The entity was referencing Catholic doctrine and folk-religion elements that aren’t strictly orthodox, but it had also lived on Earth for who knows how long. There are plenty of different explanations, ranging from “everything is as it claimed” to it having watched “The Exorcist” at an ancient film festival and realizing it could exploit the local mythology to get a ride off-planet.

Aside from an incubus being a sex Demon, you're not actually disagreeing with me. Incubus was the wrong word, maybe "passenger"?

Thousands of years old, and lived on Earth. Even an angel from heaven, who has met god, if they had lived on Earth for the last 900 years, they are going to act and react more like Mister Garibaldi than Marco Polo.

I have not seen Lost Tales in a dogs age.
 
Did JMS ever consider a movie or limited series about the later period of the Drakh War - around the late 2270s, which was featured in the Season 3 episode, "War Without End"? That episode, along with Season 4's "Lines of Communication", Season 5 and "Crusade" did set up this potential arc.
 
I've gone through The Road Home and compared the recreated shots from the original series (and a couple of other scenes that were more "loosely evocative" than direct remakes). I also cataloged all the shots seen in thumbnail on the display screen on Epsilon III (I skipped the ones that were scenes from elsewhere in the TRH itself, which were 15 of the 29 images show).

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Some interesting choices in the montage. In series order:

"Signs and Portents" has two scenes, the first of which is Londo and G'Kar are arguing in front of a transport tube. Interestingly, the human caught between them is replaced by a Llort, of all things (pretty much all the other discrepancies are down to the redesigned sets, or not making alternate character models with different clothes for two seconds of postage-stamp-sized footage). Then there's a selection of shots from the battle scene later on, with Garibaldi flying against the Raiders, Sinclair giving orders from CnC, and Kosh confronting Morden for the first time. There are a few other sequences that are re-edited for recognizability as a quick flash, but this was the most egregious.

Two sequences from "Babylon Squared," first where Sinclair, Garibaldi, and Zathras see "the One" appearing in the corridor, and when Sinclair tries to free Zathras after he's pinned under some debris, but Zathras tells him he has a destiny and should leave him to die.

Sheridan and Ivanova talking in the corridor just after he first arrives on Babylon 5 in "Points of Departure." Fun fact, the reason he's pointing emphatically at that moment is that he's asserting which color of plum is the good kind. Sheridan is such a foodie.

From "In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum," Delenn and Kosh explaining to Sheridan what really happened to the Icarus.

Three
scenes from "The Fall of Night," Sheridan telling G'Kar about the Narn ship hiding behind Epsilon III, Sheridan and Ivanova warning the Narns they've got to leave, and Sheridan activating the defense grid after the Centauri ship shows up.

Garibaldi flying to the time-rift in a Starfury in "War Without End, Part I"

Delenn meets Sheridan in his quarters to talk about how many ships they have for their first attack on the Shadows from "Shadow Dancing"

G'Kar and Ivanova discuss the fusion mines they've just received in "Z'ha'dum."

Two scenes from "Into the Fire," one of Marcus and Lyta talking with Sheridan on the bridge of the White Star, and another of the final confrontation with the Vorlons and Shadows. These are different shots than were used for the newscast at the beginning of the film, it seems to specifically be the exchange where the Vorlons and Shadows decide that they can put a stop to everything just by killing Sheridan and Delenn in front of everyone else, and then are humiliated by the other ships protecting them.

From "Movements of Fire and Shadow," Sheridan and Lochley discuss the possibility of a Centauri attack on Babylon 5's jumpgate.
 
Nice job on that comparison video. :techman:

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Ugh. The episodes on the new Blu-ray set have the ad bumper still attached to them. Not a deal-breaker, but mildly obnoxious. I wish I could say it doesn't bother me, but...
 
Me, too. I've popped in an episode just to get a taste of the quality (I watched the battle sequence from "No Surrender, No Retreat"), and it's about what I hoped. Live-action scenes have a nice improvement in detail, though there's still a quality loss in composite scenes (mostly, all the film grain disappears, as does fine detail), and the CG is oddly muddy and sharpened (I expect it's a 24 frames to 30 frames to 24 frames thing, but not quite as ugly as what the same issue caused on the DVDs). I'm going to do a quick proof-of-concept test on a frame to see if it's at all possible or practical to combine the DVD and Blu-Ray to get an HD-ish widescreen version.

(Which involved me breaking out my first-run DVD sets. God, they really put it all into discs back then, didn't they? The individual silk-screened art on each disc. The non-overlapping spindles so it's not a pain in the ass to take out a specific disc. A little booklet with a nice note from JMS and contents for each disc, including special features. The Blu-Ray doesn't even tell you which episodes are on which disc, you have to make an educated guess which episodes will be on "Season 4, Disc 3.")

And now, through the magic of not hitting "Post Reply" because I got distracted by my rip finishing, I've done that, so here's what I've got. It wouldn't be as easy as I hoped (the proportions aren't identical, there's some distortion from when the film was scanned, so the frames don't overlap exactly from both sources, and the color-correction on the DVD is a little more contrasty than the Blu-Ray, so there's some clipped highlights on the widescreen version, and overall adjustments need to be made to match the color and brightness). I'm sure there are tools and techniques to do this (like, people used the same idea to make the "despecialized" versions of the Star Wars movies, though three movies is a lot less daunting than a hundred and ten episode. WB would probably decide to do a professional widescreen edition long before I made a dent in a fan-edit remaster).

Anyway, since people will probably be interested, here's what I came up with and some comparison images I made of both sources so you can see the quality difference. The frame is from "Points of Departure," the second season premiere.

First off, the test image merging the two sources. I upscaled the DVD frame using an AI tool, color-corrected it as described above, and added some grain, while softening the border between the HD frame and the widescreen one:
DVD_Blu-Ray_Combo.jpg

It could be worse! Now, the quality comparisons. Here is a straight split image, comparing the DVD and the Blu-Ray (the DVD is on the left, if the pillarboxing on the right doesn't give it away). Because I am cruel to old technology, for these images I scaled the DVD screencap up without any interpolation, so it'll look pixelated rather than just blurry.
DVD_BR_Comparison_Uncorrected.jpg

Sheridan is noticeably taller on the Blu-Ray. It turns out the widescreen version (at least in this shot) also expanded the frame vertically. This next one zooms in the DVD screencap a bit more, so they line up properly, even though it crops out some of the DVD picture. Check out the fine detail on the HD side, like the EA logo on Sheridan's belt buckle, or the ribbing on the light panels on the wall.
DVD_BR_Comparison_Corrected.jpg

And, finally, I uncropped the above image, eliminated the split-screen and put a red outline around the Blu-Ray screencap, so you can see how the framing is different. To be clear, I've done this with one frame of one episode, I won't say this exact difference applies to every shot in every episode, some may have more information on the bottom in the widescreen version, some may even be cropped in vertically on the DVD, as an ancient website analyzing the first widescreen releases of B5 proposed. This comparison also shows what I mentioned about the proportions being distorted on one or both sources; the bottom of the frame lines up (take my word for it, I know they overlap and you can't see) but the top doesn't.
DVD_Blu-Ray_Framing_Comparison.jpg
 
And, finally, I uncropped the above image, eliminated the split-screen and put a red outline around the Blu-Ray screencap, so you can see how the framing is different. To be clear, I've done this with one frame of one episode, I won't say this exact difference applies to every shot in every episode, some may have more information on the bottom in the widescreen version, some may even be cropped in vertically on the DVD, as an ancient website analyzing the first widescreen releases of B5 proposed. This comparison also shows what I mentioned about the proportions being distorted on one or both sources; the bottom of the frame lines up (take my word for it, I know they overlap and you can't see) but the top doesn't.
Good ole 4:3 Aspect Ratio compared to modern 16:9 Aspect Ratio.
 
They started making TVs as rectangles because of hi definition wide screen dvds, but TV was still square.

Is anyone still watching TV on square TV?
 
What's the word on special features (commentaries in particular, for me)? Same as the DVDs? More stuff?


Less stuff?
 
Doesn’t the Blu-ray have widescreen? I just got mine today and it looks good but in 4:3 format.
 
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