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Which begs the question... were the League worlds really that advanced to begin with? Other than the Vorlons and Minbari (and the Shadows, obviously), Earth ships seem capable of going toe to toe with just about anyone, which is quite a feat considering Earth only got jump technology about 100 years or so before B5 started.

I wonder if strategy was what worked in Earthforce's favor. Earth was a new enemy against the Dilgar, and they might not have adjusted to their tactics fast enough, causing defeat.
 
The Agents of Gaming war game did have Earth having an extremely weak form of shields to diffuse incoming beam weapons, the energy web (or E-Web, if you want to confuse players who are also into Star Wars RPGs). That's something that George Johnson (via JMS) talked about on-line, too, and was implicit in the show. At the beginning of "Severed Dreams," there's talk about how the enemy ship's interceptor grid being damaged gave them an opening for a devastating shot, but if interceptors were just point-defense guns shooting down incoming energy pulses, it doesn't make sense that they'd affect the particle beam they fired.

The Narn sold beam weapon technology to Earthlings during the Earth-Minbari war. The Narn were supposed to be roughly at the same technological level as Earth. So duplication should be possible. And the Narn probably sold the older model, retaining the newer, more powerful version for their themselves.

Oddly, B5 Wars also had Earth using beam weapons well before the beginning of the Minbari War, even though that doesn't fit with what was seen on-screen. My understanding is that cancelled Babylon 5 video game did go with the interpretation that beams were a relatively new armament for Earth, based on Narn designs.

I don't recall how payment was made. Earthling fiat currency would be meaningless after humanity was exterminated.

In ITB, G'Kar merely says that as human currency has been devalued on the interstellar market almost immediately after the war began, the prices for the weapons would extremely inflated. I guess the Narn could've been intending to buy more exports from the EA using their own money.
 
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Tim Walker said:
The Narn sold beam weapon technology to Earthlings during the Earth-Minbari war. The Narn were supposed to be roughly at the same technological level as Earth. So duplication should be possible. And the Narn probably sold the older model, retaining the newer, more powerful version for their themselves.

In the show, I was under the impression that the Narn sold Humans captured Centauri Tech, left behind on Narn fom the Centauri occupation, for the Earthers fight against the Minbari in the Earth - Minbari War. Hoping the Minbari would blame the Centauri for arming the Humans and attack the Centauri as well.
 
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Kraig, as I understand it....

Narns initially sold captured Centauri weapons. The idea being-besides making a large profit-that if Minbari found humans using Centauri weapons, the Minbari would blame and attack the Centauri. (But the Minbari didn't try to capture Earth warships, they would simply blast them to smithereens).

The Narns will have already built derivative weapons based on the above captured weapons. I think that shortly before the Battle of the Line, the Narn decided to make further profit by selling plans of the derivatives to a desperate and doomed humanity. Payment in gold bullion, please.

Post war, Earth would begin to manufacture the derivative weapons based on the purchased plans.
 
Inspection of battle damage would indicate the type of weapons being used, you wouldn't need to capture an enemy ship to make that determination.
 
The Earth and Narn heavy lasers are very similar. Likely both came to the same conclusions based on the Centauri lasers. It is possible that Earth had lighter lasers before the Dilgar war. But found the Dilgar based pulse cannon tech better at the time. Though the Nova Dreadnought was supposed to have both laser and pulse cannon in their many turrets.
 
We never saw Centauri ships using lasers, though, only red pulses and blue rockets. It's possible the red pulse weapons on the Omegas and late-model Hyperions were the weapons based on Centauri salvage, but that doesn't quite fit with the lore in season 5 about the exact color of weapons fire being dependent on the exact materials used in construction, making a "signature" for where the weapons were built (but that doesn't quite fit anything, either, with Earth ships having blue and red pulses, and even the White Stars having both green and blue pulse weapons).

It could be that the color phenomenon Franklin was describing wasn't so much about the apparent color of the energy weapon as slight variations in the spectrum that aren't visible to the naked eye, so a Centauri-designed heavy pulse cannon will always look red, but a forensic analysis of the exact shade of red can tell you what minerals were used in construction of the weapon and, thus, where exactly it was built. Franklin did say the imprint on the bodies of exposure to weapons fire was very specific.

(Full disclosure, I am red-green colorblind, if any of the specific colors I mentioned are wrong, please mentally swap in red, orange, yellow, or green as appropriate.)
 
I have looked at various web sites, and I am still unsure about these questions:

What, exactly are the interceptors?

What is the e-web?
 
I have looked at various web sites, and I am still unsure about these questions:

What, exactly are the interceptors?

What is the e-web?

My understanding has been that the interceptors are the 'guns' on B5 and other spacecraft that are used to shoot down incoming fire.

No comment on e-web at this time; when was that term used?
 
What is the e-web?

The specifics I was referring to came from the B5 Wars tabletop game. As I said before, the E-Web existed only by implication in the show.

Here are the descriptions from the 2nd Edition Rules. Bolding is my emphasis, italics in original.

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Shields are a defensive item used by Vorlons, some League races, and the Minbari White Star. They come in various types, but all have the same basic abilities. The shields used on the White Star are of the electromagnetic variety, and are often called EM shields . Other types include the gravitic shield used by the Abbai, some Brakiri ships, and a few other races....

Shields are protective devices that attempt to deflect some of the effect of incoming fire from striking the ship's hull. They have two basic effects: reduction of the chance to hit, and absorption of some incoming damage. EM shields do these things by producing an electromagnetic screen that partially surrounds the ship, while gravitic shields accomplish the same goal by warping space enough that incoming weapons are shifted slightly as they approach. Each shield system protects only a certain area (arc) of the ship, and if destroyed or deactivated, that leaves a hole in the defense screen that can be exploited by an opponent.

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The Earth Alliance is one of the few powers to employ weapons dedicated specifically to an interception role. These weapons are highly effective at deflecting some or all of an incoming shot, as reflected by their high intercept rating....

In addition to their normal use as defensive weapons, interceptors also generate an energy web (similar to shields) which surrounds the ship. This web reduces the ship's defensive rating in all directions covered by the arcs of active (and undestroyed) interceptors. Thus, any ship equipped with interceptors will have two defense ratings for each direction, as shown in the example here. The first of these is in force only if there are no active interceptors which bear on the incoming fire. If, on the other hand, there is at least one interceptor facing the approaching shot, the second rating (in parenthesis) is used instead. Note that the second, interceptor-enhanced defense rating affects all weapons, even lasers!

Note: This does NOT mean that an interceptor can fire defensively against lasers. The energy web is a passive defense , like a weaker variety of shield, whereas defensive fire is an active defense
I'm looking over all the Agents of Gaming material I can find, and I could've sworn I saw the "E-Web" abbreviation used somewhere in them, but it looks like it was player-created jargon. As for using an old tabletop game as a source, here's a quote from the introduction to the 2nd Edition Rules Compendium by JMS.

When other licensees needed information on ship configurations or weapons capabilities, we referred them to the Agents of Gaming books (such as the one you are now holding in your hands). When we were in production and engaged in the writing of episodes or the mapping out of sets, if I was not available to answer a specific question on a technical area covered by AoG...the people involved were directed to go to the AoG books. Whenever AoG’s miniatures showed up on set, there was always a feeding frenzy of the sort usually associated with an unlucky cow falling into a river filled with piranha.

What I’m saying, in this roundabout way, is that if you want the Real Deal, if you want accuracy, canonical authority, and the best of the best when it comes to BABYLON 5 licensing and gaming... you’ve come to the right place.​
 
I have looked at various web sites, and I am still unsure about these questions:

What, exactly are the interceptors?

What is the e-web?
Defensive fire from either a dedicated defensive gun or a gun that can be switched back and forth between offensive and defensive fire. It intercepts incoming fire and stops it from hitting the desired target. When a beam weapon is configured to fire as an interceptor, it sends out pulses of energy instead of a continuous beam.

Babylon 5 inteceptors being used in the Episode Severed Dreams:

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Lets assume that before First Contact, that Earthforce had suitcase nukes latched onto rockets, the size weight and shape of a small car?

Therefore each Earth Warship could have only carried no more than a hundred of these missiles depending on mission specificity.

So they had 100 kill shots, that could take out a city, or a something the size of a city in space. Not every missile is going to be a kill, some outright miss, and then there's a question of if the enemy has interceptors, armour or shields.

So maybe only 10 percent of those missiles hit their target?

One Earth ship can only be guaranteed to take out 10 Dilgar ships, at most, before it has to turn around and go home to be rearmed.

Any advanced species on the other hand with heavy lasers hooked up to a fusion core can fire millions of shots taking out thousands of Earth Ships, even if they have to hit their target 30 times to confirm a kill, over the course of years, before they need to go home to get refueled.

Low tech often means that you are inefficient, not ineffective.

It's how the US Air Force beat the Goul'd.
 
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Beating the Goa'uld was also about tactics, having allies (Tok'ra and Free Jaffa for example, though the Tok'ra were still very quiet about most of their operations and that caused issues), and being able to quickly reverse engineer technology they find. (That's ultimately why the Prometheus and later Daedalus class ships existed.)
 
Beating the Goa'uld was also about tactics, having allies (Tok'ra and Free Jaffa for example, though the Tok'ra were still very quiet about most of their operations and that caused issues), and being able to quickly reverse engineer technology they find. (That's ultimately why the Prometheus and later Daedalus class ships existed.)

What was wrong with Enterprise as a name that is what I want to know!
 
What was wrong with Enterprise as a name that is what I want to know!

Carter: Sir... we can't call this ship the Enterprise. There are already three scifi franchises with the word 'star' in its title. Having a second franchise with a starship named Enterprise as its main starship is a step too far.

(I imagine that is how Carter would have finished her dialogue with.) :biggrin:
 
Carter: Sir... we can't call this ship the Enterprise. There are already three scifi franchises with the word 'star' in its title. Having a second franchise with a starship named Enterprise as its main starship is a step too far.

(I imagine that is how Carter would have finished her dialogue with.) :biggrin:
There are 4x franchises with "Star" in it's title.
- Star Trek
- Star Wars
- Star Gate
- Battle Star Galactica
 
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