Incels and misogynists have different issues and insecurities than racists.
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You totally Guyed it.
Indeed. It was a film built entirely on specific events from a number of earlier MCU films. That is not made for someone new to the MCU to just jump in and understand the details of the story.
Good question.
No one gave Black Panther any shit because Black Panther has always been black. Black Panther was black in the comics 57 years ago.
The 'blame men' and 'blame superhero fatigue' are amusing media narratives.. considering the audience was 65% men, and Guardians was very successful a few months ago.
These excuses are so the creatives and studio can't take accountability for the poor decision making with The Marvels box office failure.
The fallout from this at Marvel Studios/Disney will be more interesting than the film itself.
These excuses are so the creatives and studio can't take accountability for the poor decision making with The Marvels box office failure.
The fallout from this at Marvel Studios/Disney will be more interesting than the film itself.
Maybe because defending something is positive thing for someone to engage in, vs. tearing something down.
Is it? Or is it more positive to accept some would enjoy a film and other will not and it doesn't need to be built up or torn down?
Not even remotely.
And, at the time, he was the only one.
If they wanted this movie to make money they should have dumped Ms. Marvel on Youtube for free, a month before the movie started.
Because their plan had to have been the reverse, that a billion people, who saw the movie, and liked it, wold subscribe to Disney Plus to find out who Ms Marvel was.
Because their plan had to have been the reverse, that a billion people, who saw the movie, and liked it, wold subscribe to Disney Plus to find out who Ms Marvel was.
As opposed to Carol Danvers who totally wasn't already a woman in the comics fifty years ago.
Went and saw it last night (Other life events had made our usual saturday slot) and I expected it to be rather empty (small town cinema as well as later in the week) but it wasn't as quiet as expected.
For what it's worth, I had fun with it.
For what it's worth, I had fun with it.
To be fair, Captain Marvel wasn't a woman 50 years ago. In either company.
Carol was what... Marvel's 4th Captain Marvel? 5th? I forget if Phyla took the name at any point.
But Carol is the current CM in the comics and has been since well before her movie came out.
Plus 40 years ago, the comics' Captain Marvel was Monica Rambeau. And - yes - 20 years ago it was Phyla Vell.
And this whole tangent started by someone comparing Carol's reception not just to T'Challa but also to Sam Wilson and he certainly wasn't Captain America 50 years ago, either.
They get clicks/views, sell newspapers and magazines.
It's the usual path of something popular. IE - Once it becomes very popular and successful for a number of years, the media then realizes that the next big story will be when it finally falls out of favor/ starts failing. And as soon as they see any indication of that, that's the immediate story whenever something starts to underperform in the franchise.
That said, I can tell you the original comic version of BP (in many of his early appearances) did rub some black American readers the wrong way, as they felt he was written as the half stoic, half deferential African stereotype used in endless novels and movies up that period. It took some time before BP was given a somewhat less offensive personality in late 60s / early 70s appearances (some of that can attributed to Roy Thomas's stories) taking cues from real life (think of the political / self-identity landscape for black people in that time).
She also was written horribly 50 years ago because she was unlucky enough to be stuck with incompetent, misogynistic writers who didn't know what to do with her. Which is why she spent the 80s, 90s and 2000s as a punching bag character until she got upgraded to Captain Marvel around 2012...and certain folks were mad because they preferred her as the punching bag.
That's a big thing, Carol finally being written with some respect after decades of getting none.
I recently reread her first sole series and I had totally forgotten that the original re conceptualization of the character was as a magazine editor who hung out with Mary-Jane and worked for JJJ.
1. The nosy Neighbor on Bewitched who wanted to prove that she was hotter than Samantha, but a soldja girl trying to prove that an alien terrorist is up to no good..
2. Girl version of a popular boy hero.
3. Feminist super cool girl reporter for girl magazine, and Spider-Man is her bitch. Peter was her photographer. He did what she said, or he did not eat.
4. Avenger.
5. Girlraped and her powers stolen by Anna Paquin. Wind wiped amnesiac. Complete reset on her adventures.
5. Boyraped by her own child and husband, who is the same person.
6. Human pet of the X-Men.
7. White whole powered superPirate, rebel to an oppressive alien empire.
8. Eaten by space vampires, rebuilt and replaced by space whales. In a way the new Carol with the brain waves of the original Carol, was either a space whale tumour or space whale poop.
9. Marvel forgot that she existed for ten years.
10. Back on earth, rejoins the Avengers, but her binary powers start fluttering, but she doesn't tell the avengers so she becomes a liability and everyone almost dies because they need Binary, as she is downgrading back into the far less impressive Ms. Marvel.
11. Marvel notices that sexism exists, and renames Ms. Marvel as Warbird because pilot, planes, ww2. A drinking problem surfaces. Tony Stark becomes her AA Sponsor.
12. Marvel notices irony, and thinks that you can be sexist if you tell everyone it's a joke, so Carol is Ms. Marvel Again, and Marvel gives her a cheese Cake comic that is almost pornographic with the pin ups. Ms. Marvel goes on a date with Spider-Man, they do not remember that they used to work together.
13. House of M. Wanda rebuilds reality where mutants are on top and Carol, Captain Marvel is the greatest most respected Super Hero of them all.
14. Back to reality. WTF was that? Carol has to check herself and wonder why she is pathetic joke character in the real world, when she was so cool in the House of M world? I think she actually hires a PR firm to handle her name change to Captain Marvel, and her press so that the world knows that she is awesome.
15. Meh. I stopped reading her books ten years ago, but she rented out and lived in an apartment in the head of the Statue of Liberty for a while.
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