Spoilers The Marvels grade and discussion

[JD]

Despite certain parts of CM's journey to find her stolen life being interesting in the first film, I'm seriously doubting anyone--with an objective mind--can say her debut was the foundation for interest in additional stories.

It was for me.
I'm sorry, but really need to stop assuming that everyone feels the same way you do. Every time you talk about something like this you seem to assume everyone has to feel the same way you do, but yet in 99% (OK maybe not literally, but it sure feels like it) I feel the exact opposite of how you say everyone feels, so I continue to be proof that you do not speak for everyone.
If you want to share your opinions that's fine, but please stop acting like you know for a fact that every single person who has seen these movies absolutely must feel the same way you do.

 

[The Wormhole]

I enjoyed the movie, anyway. Though I will say some parts of it felt a bit rushed, but, meh, even good movies can have minor flaws. Otherwise, a quite enjoyable and fun movie.

Apologies for the interruption. I'll allow the discussion of the MCU's imminent doom to resume now.

 

[Tuskin38]

Captain Marvel is still my favourite MCU movie, followed by Iron Man 1.

 

[StarMan]

It's a shame the misogynists and racists are going to kill the box office on this one

Yeah ... I expect a mainstream publication will run that tired old chestnut shortly.

It's a not-insignificant portion of the general moviegoing public and former MCU fans that used to support these films that are going to kill the box office on this one.

 

[Noname Given]

I attribute a lot of the success of the first one with it falling between Infinity and Endgame, and the way it was touted as a 'must-see' before the biggest cinematic event of the MCU. No hate, but TBH I probably would have skipped the first one if it wasn't for that pre-Endgame hype.

Yep. They did a good job of teasing Captain Marvel at the end of Avengers Infinity War, so I'm sure that aspect had a lot to do with the box office of the first Captain Marvel film. Not to mention the fact that they more of Nick Fury's backstory would be shown, and a lot of fans wanted to see the accident that necessitated the eye patch.

 

[Caretaker]

TVLine has an article up questioning the lack of continuity with Secret Invasion. Beware that the article has spoilers for both the limited series and the film.

 

[Noname Given]

TVLine has an article up questioning the lack of continuity with Secret Invasion. Beware that the article has spoilers for both the limited series and the film.

The less said about the disaster that was Secret Invasion, the better. They really screwed the pooch on that one IMO.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

It was for me.
I'm sorry, but really need to stop assuming that everyone feels the same way you do. Every time you talk about something like this you seem to assume everyone has to feel the same way you do.

One, no one ever said "everyone" feels like any one member about anything, so you are--among other things--a liar. Next, take your own advice, as you habitually run from thread to thread dumping your opinion as if its some seal of approval to whatever you're into. Many members have expressed their less than enthusiastic view of the MCU's Captain Marvel character (as a reason why The Marvels is failing) for their own justified reasons, yet your every word is an attempt to suppress opinion, denying their right to see some entertainment property based on personal perceptions and assessments not mirroring that of your own, JD. If you are so triggered by the views of others, try exercising self-control and avoid reading such opinions, or put the members on ignore. If you refuse to do that, then its rather clear you're purposely seeking out that which disturbs you because you're attempting (and failing) to control what others think or post.

This thread is not your personal rant column about me. Drop this crap, JD. Its a tiresome, immature routine.

 

[Rich Watson]

Well, having seen it now it definitely doesn't deserve to be the failure it's going to be. It's not perfect but it's far, far superior to shit like Love & Thunder and Quantumania.

Hopefully if Marvel can come out of the other side of their current problems people will reevaluate it in the future.

Even the CGI was better than recent Marvel standard. Well except for the Beast. I wonder if that was a last minute addition and the Young Avengers scene was originally the mid-credits.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

It seems that the majority of opinions on this board so far who have actually watched the movie are overwhelmingly positive. With not a single vote calling it a disaster of a film.
Which seems to track well with the rest of social media from those that have watched it.

Looks like it just needs a chance to be seen, but it was written off before everyone even gave it that chance.

Which is a shame.

 

[JoeZhang]

It seems that the majority of opinions on this board so far who have actually watched the movie are overwhelmingly positive. With not a single vote calling it a disaster of a film.
Which seems to track well with the rest of social media from those that have watched it.
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That's not surprising - the very small audience seems to be largely hardcore MCU fans.

 

[Rich Watson]

That's not surprising - the very small audience seems to be largely hardcore MCU fans.

But that's the frustrating thing. You don't need to be a hardcore fan to enjoy it. In fact it's the most fun, non-hardcore viewer friendly thing they've released in years, with anything you do need to know explained within it.

(If anything it has negative continuity since it pretends "Secret Invasion" never happened.)

 

[Turtletrekker]

^ I'd say that Secret Invasion is one with the "negative continuity". Hopefully the "Rhodes was a Skrull" thing won't factor in too heavily on future projects.

So, now both Eric Voss and Jesse Gender, the only two YouTubers whose opinion I trust on Marvel projects, have both come out saying they like the film. Both say it isn't perfect, but both use the word "fun".

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[TREK_GOD_1]

But that's the frustrating thing. You don't need to be a hardcore fan to enjoy it.

By this point in the century, you would not be reaching to believe the average movie-goer is quite familiar with film franchises, and know that the idea of a "cinematic universe" usually means the films (and TV series) are so dependent on each other for running arcs and references, that they (the movie-goers) are less likely to believe they can just step in at any point and understand what they're watching, which only leaves the hardcore fans with a desire to see film "chapters" of this kind.

 

[Rich Watson]

I honestly think if Cap 4 or Thunderbolts or Blade had come out this week the response would be much the same*. People are fed up with Marvel in general, a position I can completely understand and sympathise with.

*Deadpool 3 would probably still have been a hit.

 

[Dee1891]

The less said about the disaster that was Secret Invasion, the better. They really screwed the pooch on that one IMO.

A disaster? I'm sorry, but I find this opinion hard to swallow. Granted, I was a bit disappointed by it, but not as much as I was disappointed by a lot of MCU productions since 2016.

*Deadpool 3 would probably still have been a hit.

There is a chance you might be right even though I loathe the Deadpool movies. Especially the first one.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

People are fed up with Marvel in general

Ah, that classic sweeping overgeneralization.

 

[Nightowl1701]

The less said about the disaster that was Secret Invasion, the better. They really screwed the pooch on that one IMO.

I'll qualify that: The more said about what led to the disaster that was Secret Invasion, the better. Phases 4-5 have been hit with a perfect storm of things going wrong all at once, with COVID being just one factor. I'm not saying that excuses the end product, it certainly doesn't, but those things do have to be taken into account.

 

[TerryTrek]

It seems that the majority of opinions on this board so far who have actually watched the movie are overwhelmingly positive. With not a single vote calling it a disaster of a film.
Which seems to track well with the rest of social media from those that have watched it.

Looks like it just needs a chance to be seen, but it was written off before everyone even gave it that chance.

Which is a shame.

Or the film simply doesn't appeal to the majority of general audiences, for very understandable reasons. It has a smaller niche appeal which doesn't work for a 270M Budgeted film.

Ultimately, they overestimated Captain Marvel's appeal or lack of.

"The Marvels" cinemascore, used for longterm projections, is tied with flops like Eternals and Quantumania. The lowest score of the MCU.

The post-mortem on this will be interesting.

 

[Jedi Marso]

I was starting to lose my fire for the MCU before we even made it to Endgame. After that, the story was pretty much a wrap for me. I've never been a Spidey-fan so I haven't seen any of those, and the post-Endgame MCU seemed to be about minor characters that I'd never heard of, or gender-flipping existing characters like Ironman, Thor, and Hawkeye. To me that just signaled a lack of fresh ideas. Haven't watched any of the shows due to lack of interest- actually, I take that back, I did watch Hawkeye and thought it was okay. The only recent movie I've really enjoyed was Guardians 3, and even that one wasn't awesome.

The good news is that any time I'm in the mood for some Marvel action, there's a ton of movies leading up to Endgame that I really liked and have great re-watch value.

Too bad DC can't figure out what to do with itself. That whole franchise has been a gigantic mis-step except for casting Henry Cavil and Gal Gadot.