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Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 4x10 - "Old Friends, New Planets"

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Shannon and Will were voices.. Sweet.. Kinda sad/ not really that they didn't Un Die Sito..

Do wish it was the whales instead of Nick..
And a bit to many memberry callbacks in this episode.. Kinda soured it.
 
Great episode. Worst of the season.

I just feel like they did Nick dirty. Could he have become this person? I suppose so. But this just took too many leaps forward. I can see that he never got his life together after the Academy (the Academy...) but becoming a criminal mastermind and shipbuilder?

The Genesis explosion was a little over done in terms of Khan service. Even for LD.

And that was the worst of it.

Solo Mariner was amazing. The First Duty flashback was amazing. Everything with, well, everyone else was amazing. I missed Ma'ah. All the Orion stuff was obviously amazing. For some reason this cliff hangar felt far more cliffier than when Boimler went to the Titan. Boimler was amazing.

Oh, I don't believe for a moment that Tendi won't be back. But I also don't think it will be one and done next season. OTOH I thought they were going to do something interesting with Lacarno. (YES I'm bitter.)

When did the rest of the gang get back to the Cerritos?

Because unlike Spock, he wasn't long dead when he got sent there, with no soul in his body.
By that argument we should have gotten Khan back. And the rest of his crew.

Twin Twains return
I forgot about that. Of all the callbacks! Wonderful.
 
when this idea was originally made up so the studio could avoid paying royalties to be frustrating.
Has that ever been confirmed by either writer of 'The First Duty'? Because both of them were Staff writers, there shouldn't be royalty issues. Not even Memory-Alpha mentions anything about royalties.

I also didn't see either writer credited here in Lower Decks. I assume there would need to be a 'Nicholas Locarno created by...' credit if the character wasn't owned by Paramount directly. But I'm not an expert on these things.

The writers of 'The First Duty' never bought into the irredeemable augment, asking if Sito can be redeemed, why can't Nick?
 
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If it isn't the case about the royalties, then the strange reasoning is just that. Strange. The difference between Paris and Locarno origin-wise is pretty thin.

I always heard it in the context that the guy who first named O'Brien got royalties for every subsequent appearance though was never given any credit.
 
But can you gurantee that your bomb will always have electronic Wireless Space Internet access to transfer the funds?

That's got to be pretty hard to gurantee.

Givem how widespread subpsace comms are in the Alpha Quadrant (and likely in parts of the Beta Quadrant), as long as the bomb isn't transferred out of that coverage zone, I think it would be fine.
 
From the Writers Guild of America website:

If you create a character for an episodic television series in a script other than the pilot script and the character recurs on subsequent episodes of the series, you may be entitled to a character payment every time that character reappears in a new episode or if that character is spun off into a new series. Generally, in order to receive character payments for a character, you must have fully developed and fully described a unique, non-generic character with specific characteristics that are established in a script written by you.

Tom Paris debuting in "Caretaker" (the Voyager pilot) would definitely remove any payment requirements. This also aligns with T'Pau/T'Pol and "Amok Time" (TOS) vs. "Broken Bow" (ENT).

I'm thinking it is likely why they created Paris and just threw the irredeemable line to cover their tracks.
 
Locarno came up with the idea to do the illegal maneuver, and pushed the others into it. he then covered it up, and turned on wesley when he confronted Locarno over it, even going so far as to tell Wesley to resign from starfleet so that Locarno and the rest can get off. Locarno showed no remorse at all over the death, pushing the blame for it onto the others in the team rather than admitting he screwed up. it is heavily implied that he has been telling the other members of the squadron similar things.
in the episode we get a scene skip after wesley confesses.. it seems likely that the other members of the group, other than locarno, chose to back wesley up. and notice that in the end, picard does say that they all nearly were expelled.. and that Locarno argued in their defense. so Locarno, once he couldn't cover it up, fell on his own sword to protect the rest. but his argument was still very self centered, basically taking full credit for the whole affair, with no indication that he felt guilty over it.

while we don't know as many details for Tom Paris, we know that he had already graduated, and it was a bit of pilot error that led to the deaths of three other people aboard. no indication he was doing anything prohibited or illegal, just that he did something incorrectly and an accident happened. and his 'cover up' was a case of him refusing to admit that it was his error that caused the accident and a falsified report.. and then he came clean and owned up to it on his own, out of a guilty conscious.

this is why paris could be redeemed and Locarno not.
Locarno pushed others into doing something unsafe, then covered it up and pushed others into becoming scapegoats to save his own skin when the coverup started falling apart, all because of his own ego.
Paris made a mistake, but decided in the end to be a better person and own up to that mistake, even knowing it would mean being kicked out of starfleet.
 
Ambition slighted.

He could have been Picard but he didn't have Picard's nobility.

I think that the writers chose to do what they did with Lorcano because it makes a more direct contrast to Tom Paris. Lorcano and Paris are the same character but with the right guidance and influence, Paris became a hero of Starfleet. Lorcano became a criminal and sadly died for it.
 
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Locarno came up with the idea to do the illegal maneuver, and pushed the others into it. he then covered it up, and turned on wesley when he confronted Locarno over it, even going so far as to tell Wesley to resign from starfleet so that Locarno and the rest can get off. Locarno showed no remorse at all over the death, pushing the blame for it onto the others in the team rather than admitting he screwed up. it is heavily implied that he has been telling the other members of the squadron similar things.
in the episode we get a scene skip after wesley confesses.. it seems likely that the other members of the group, other than locarno, chose to back wesley up. and notice that in the end, picard does say that they all nearly were expelled.. and that Locarno argued in their defense. so Locarno, once he couldn't cover it up, fell on his own sword to protect the rest. but his argument was still very self centered, basically taking full credit for the whole affair, with no indication that he felt guilty over it.

while we don't know as many details for Tom Paris, we know that he had already graduated, and it was a bit of pilot error that led to the deaths of three other people aboard. no indication he was doing anything prohibited or illegal, just that he did something incorrectly and an accident happened. and his 'cover up' was a case of him refusing to admit that it was his error that caused the accident and a falsified report.. and then he came clean and owned up to it on his own, out of a guilty conscious.

this is why paris could be redeemed and Locarno not.
Locarno pushed others into doing something unsafe, then covered it up and pushed others into becoming scapegoats to save his own skin when the coverup started falling apart, all because of his own ego.
Paris made a mistake, but decided in the end to be a better person and own up to that mistake, even knowing it would mean being kicked out of starfleet.

So if Tom had been caught before he told the truth, then he would have been irredeemable? It's taking circumstance as defining. We don't know Nick wouldn't have eventually confessed either. Getting caught before ever confessing doesn't make someone irredeemable.

And Tom Paris joined a terrorist group after he came clean. Mostly it seems because he wanted to spite Starfleet and his father rather than an actual belief in the Maquis's cause. This comes off as deeply cynical and he also committed several more crimes and probably caused many more deaths. Until recently, Locarno was only guilty of the one crime.
 
I just feel like they did Nick dirty. Could he have become this person? I suppose so. But this just took too many leaps forward. I can see that he never got his life together after the Academy (the Academy...) but becoming a criminal mastermind and

I actually understand it, to an extent. Julie Andrew's reminded us that when God closes a door, somewhere He opens a window. Nick reminded me of one of those who spends their life staring bitterly at the closed door, refusing to look anywhere else even as the breeze from the open window ruffles their hair. Of course, the Nick we got just decided to burn the house down. One harms self, one harms others, but the motivation is the same.

I do find the idea that Locarno turned out to be irredeemable (because he is probably dead) after all when this idea was originally made up so the studio could avoid paying royalties to be frustrating.

It's a party line that several people, most notably Robert Duncan Macneil himself, have stuck devoutly to over the years... I never agreed with it either. He saved the careers of the others, including Wes, who effectively destroyed his. That's not the act of an irredeemable person.
 
Really enjoyed the episode, although it felt rushed - especially for a season finale.

The musical homages to Wrath of Khan were really well done.

As for Locarno: it's fine that not everyone gets a happy ending. We need reminders that success isn't guaranteed.
 
They are inside a Star System, so I'm sure they're siphoning a chunk of the Stars power to either run a reactor or directly convert the energy to power the Trynar Shields, it's pretty ridiculous how strong it is.
Why would they drain a star when there are so many other ways to generate stupid amounts of energy in Star Trek?

Something that doesn't require a external vessel to constantly project the Shield, which we don't see anyways.
Whatever this Trynar shield is, it seems to be able to function without a grid network of Satellites.
It seems to be closer to the "Tholian Web" in basic setup where it's self powering once it's up and running.
Just add extra energy to the system to keep it going.
That would have trapped him inside the solarsystem.

You're over thinking things, he had a starbase, so it was probably the starbase that was projecting the Trynar Shield.
 
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WOW! JUST WOW! This was an EXCELLENT season finale!

This show does an INCREDIBLE job with making the live action scenes from shows work in animation. Superb job with Starfleet Academy.

And speaking of the Academy... they actually got Shannon Fill to voice Sito! A true tip of the hat... the series that based itself on a TNG episode brings back an homage to said episode! And it doesn't feel contrived! (I'm also really glad it was a flashback and not bringing her back from the dead... this feels more impactful.)

Hell, they even got Wil Wheaton to be Wesley again!

We get some fantastic action with the Steamrunner class ship. Not only of it in action, but the bridge, too! Glad we got some more love for the ship classes of FIRST CONTACT!

A Trynar shield... whoa! That is some serious technology and energy there, having the ability to shield an entire system. Makes me wonder if this is a nod to DISCOVERY, with the Federation in the 32nd century. (And in turn, inspiration for that future Federation to do what it did.)

And talk about honoring their roots... THE WRATH OF KHAN!!!! WOW! That entire scene was just perfect! They even used the same music! Attempting to copy TWOK is always a dangerous prospect, and results have almost always fell short. But not this time. THIS is how you do it!

I wonder if the new planet will feature as a plot point next season. Could this be the hidden clue of the whale probe in the theme... this season is part of a trilogy of seasons that will culminate into the probe's return? Given how movies II-IV are a trilogy in pretty much every respect, the poster for this season was a direct homage to STIV, and the direct lifting of the Mutara battle sequence here, this would not surprise me. Which means it will be getting Tendi back to the Cerritos next season... probably her 'soul' as a scientist needs to be saved from being a pirate.

A new Ferengi Rule of Acquisition...number 289. Either they made some more since DS9 or these two just made one up on the fly. I vote for the former idea!

Boimler did good as acting captain. And T'Lyn as XO!

Dr. Migleemo... I could not stop laughing at his fluffing! Reminds me of Phlox's puffing trick with his face.

And Rutherford and Boimler talking about how Locarno looks or doesn't look like Tom Paris! :guffaw:

I really loved how this tied so many elements from season 4 together... negotiation by Twaining, D'Erika, Livik. A season finale done perfectly!

This was an easy 10!
 
So if Tom had been caught before he told the truth, then he would have been irredeemable? It's taking circumstance as defining. We don't know Nick wouldn't have eventually confessed either. Getting caught before ever confessing doesn't make someone irredeemable.

And Tom Paris joined a terrorist group after he came clean. Mostly it seems because he wanted to spite Starfleet and his father rather than an actual belief in the Maquis's cause. This comes off as deeply cynical and he also committed several more crimes and probably caused many more deaths. Until recently, Locarno was only guilty of the one crime.

I mean, the fact Lorcano could have been redeemed is fine.

But he wasn't because he refused Mariner's offer to stand down and be rescued.
 
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