NCC -1701 (TOS).....
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The differences in the Tardis exterior over time have been so incredibly minimal that no one would ever say, ‘That’s not what the Tardis is supposed to look like!’ That’s obviously not true for the Discoprise, despite what you quoted above. A more apt comparison to the Tardis would be the Cage version of the Enterprise as opposed to the regular series TOS Enterprise.
But I will agree that the average viewer doesn’t give a crap what the ship looks like.
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still sure about "minimal"?
Yeah, pretty much.
its a different color, a different size, and none of the elements or detailing is interchangeable. All things you can say when comparing the TOS Enterprise with SNW, but not the Pilot and series versions.
They look close enough to me. YMMV.
Obvious visual differences, in shape, form, and color, an increase in size. I'm sensing a pattern!still sure about "minimal"?
That’s true! I completely forgot that the Enterprise has a chameleon circuit which makes it change its appearance from the Cage version, to the SNW version, back to the Cage version, and then to the TOS version!
Plus changing from shot to shot due to using archive and stock footage.
It fits with everything that came after just fine. It's before where the problem lies.....
Not really, no.
It always stood out. It might have been the hook for me in to DS9 but it didn't fit right. It felt quite different.
Again, updated lighting and it DOES fit in. It's a perfectly futuristic design. It didn't need to be scaled up twice as big and altered as much as it was. The original ship design should not be dismissed because of bad effects, lightning and detail that failed to show up on TOS. This clip proves it fits in just fine with most of it's original look.
How so? It was a ship of the past so of course it would have looked a bit dated compared to DS9. If a modern 2023 Ford mustang traveled back in time to 1965 and met its 1965 counterpart they would look weird together as well. But I don't think the audience would say ....oh my god that old mustang needs to be updated to fit in with modern mustang....
It's not a period piece. It's a future projection of current humanity. The mustang is a very poor comparison.How so? It was a ship of the past so of course it would have looked a bit dated compared to DS9. If a modern 2023 Ford mustang traveled back in time to 1965 and met its 1965 counterpart they would look weird together as well. But I don't think the audience would say ....oh my god that old mustang needs to be updated to fit in with modern mustang....
It's not that it looks dated. It feels completely out of step with TNG and DS9. It feels...like a stage.
But it's not a poor comparison. TOS is the past of DS9. Again I just showed a video of the TOS Enteprise in Discovery and it fits perfectly fine. In fact it looks way more modern than the discovery itself ..(which is a design almost as old as the TOS constitution class late 70's in fact)
In real life today we don't have any spaceship that looks more modern than TOS Enteprise. Todays actual space ship designs designed by 21st century humans look like penis shaped rockets.
(Blue Origin) A fictional ship design by a couple of FX guys in the 1960's looks way more modern for 21st century audiences then the blue origin rocket ...
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To you. Not to me. It stands out as a model to me.
Not really, no. The TOS Constitution looks, well, of its time. Not modern.
It looks good, it is iconic, it stands out as a part of history. But, not modern.
Well whatever. But hundreds of people that viewed that Discovery clip would agree with me. I get that when everyone views TOS their heads are stuck in the 1960's. Yes interiors have a lot of 1960's design traits and props. I would never ever expect those interiors to be used verbatim on a modern show. But keeping things at established scale. Like small staterooms and smaller hallways would have went a long way into keeping things from looking too far removed instead of the cavernous interiors they gave us.
Overall they could have found a happier medium.
Anyhow I need to get off the interior thing. Because except for scale I have no real issues with the interior updates.
I just feel overall the original Ent. exterior gets too easily dismissed by fans and producers in newer productions. That's all. I think they could have did a more logical update. Like that YouTube video. That's all I'm saying.
Does it though? It can certainly be argued that the SNW Enterprise fits in alot better.
Honesty? It sticks out like a sore thumb.
There are a great many who would argure that it did. Stuff just didn't fit inside the smaller scale. A scale that was never all that definitive. Bumping her up to 442m solved most of those issues.
not really.
I'd say they did.
