Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?

[fireproof78]

Prodigy was doing just OK.

Until the illusion of scarcity kicked up. Suddenly it was must see.

Legacy will not be like that. It will bank hard on the positive viewing and word of mouth of Picard Season 3. It will be on Paramount Plus because Paramount will point back to Picard as connective live action tissue. The expectations of Legacy are not comparable to Prodigy.

 

[Quantum21]

50/50 at best.
What makes it difficult?
The strikes. Delayed any progress in decision-making.

Terry Matalas. If they don't act soon he'll move on. Hes a fan but in Hollywood you're as good as your next project and you have to take them as they come.

A Legacy show doesn't mine new ground. I think P+ was trying to diversify and spread the universe in a new direction with Kurtzman. A Legacy show is just an extension of Berman Trek.

$$$: there's only so much now after peak TV and they've committed to 2 new shows.

On the plus side, Picard in the Neilsons and doing well internationally (take a hint P+ and license your shows again) on Amazon will probably weigh in it's favor.

It has a ready made production infrastructure and probably most of the creatives. Could be a fast-start to production.

 

[HotRod]

It has a ready made production infrastructure and probably most of the creatives. Could be a fast-start to production.

Does it? All the sets were destroyed and the entire production was based around Los Angeles. Legacy, if it were to be made, would almost certainly be made in Toronto.

Granted, they can lean on the production crews of the other shows filmed up here, but they would still be basically starting from scratch.

 

[Uhura's Song]

50/50 at best.
What makes it difficult?
The strikes. Delayed any progress in decision-making.

Terry Matalas. If they don't act soon he'll move on. Hes a fan but in Hollywood you're as good as your next project and you have to take them as they come.

A Legacy show doesn't mine new ground. I think P+ was trying to diversify and spread the universe in a new direction with Kurtzman. A Legacy show is just an extension of Berman Trek.

$$$: there's only so much now after peak TV and they've committed to 2 new shows.

On the plus side, Picard in the Neilsons and doing well internationally (take a hint P+ and license your shows again) on Amazon will probably weigh in it's favor.

It has a ready made production infrastructure and probably most of the creatives. Could be a fast-start to production.

Good post.

One thing I do kinda disagree with is the Berman comment. Most of NuTrek has been an extension of Berman era Trek (Picard, Lower Decks, Prodigy). SNW is an extension of the Cage/TOS era Trek.

DISCO was the only NuTrek that really went off in a new direction. And even then, you have Sarek and Amanda in S1 and Spock & Pike in S2.

I think what P+ was trying to do was create niche shows for Trek fandom. DISCO was the edgy (cussing & a Klingin boob!), darker, avant garde (really dealt with gay/trans characters & what was going on in the world). PIC was the more thoughful, but banking on legacy characters. LD is an adult cartoon/Orville show. PRO is for kids but has Janeway/VOY characters as legacy. SNW is a rerurn to episodic & the roots if the franchise.

 

[HIjol]

Just came to this Thread...

I have a thought.

What about a Picard reality spin-off, centering around Chateau Picard. Some sort of competition involving vin and hijinks and Stewart as a Q-like character who judges and...
I will be accepting submissions for Treatments, forthwith...

 

[Lord Garth]

50/50 at best.
What makes it difficult?
The strikes. Delayed any progress in decision-making.

Terry Matalas. If they don't act soon he'll move on. Hes a fan but in Hollywood you're as good as your next project and you have to take them as they come.

Doesn't matter that the Writer's Strike has been resolved. Without the Actor's Strike being resolved, nothing's moving forward. So, there's nowhere for him to go, until then.

Terry has pushed hard for Legacy. He's got Akiva Goldsman, Jonathan Frakes, etc. supporting him. Alex Kurtzman said fans supporting the show "have been heard." Actions speak louder than words. This is Terry's Dream Job. He's the type of person who'd drop everything else just to work on Legacy. So he won't agree to anything else that would potentially lock him out of that. He'll take projects that would still leave him able and available for Star Trek. Why? Because I think he sees himself as Kirk in TMP and he sees Legacy as The Enterprise. Silly as that sounds, I think that's how he thinks of it in his mind.

So, no. They won't lose him. And they don't have to move fast. Then there are the actors. Unless they find another series that guarantees them steady employment for a while, they'll be available to.

That's not the same as my saying Legacy WILL be greenlit. Just that IF it is, Terry Matalas isn't going to say no. His actions and entire MO up this point suggest the exact opposite.

Just one problem here: If Terry Matalas wants to do the show THAT badly, then it gives Alex Kurtzman all the power. Alex Kurtzman can lay down whatever terms he wants, play as hardball as he wants, or take as long as he wants and know that Terry will agree to it as long as it's greenlit. Unless you can show you're willing and prepared to walk away, the person you're trying to get approval from will stomp all over you.

 

[HotRod]

Doesn't matter that the Writer's Strike has been resolved. Without the Actor's Strike being resolved, nothing's moving forward. So, there's nowhere for him to go, until then.

Terry has pushed hard for Legacy. He's got Akiva Goldsman, Jonathan Frakes, etc. supporting him. Alex Kurtzman said fans supporting the show "have been heard." Actions speak louder than words. This is Terry's Dream Job. He's the type of person who'd drop everything else just to work on Legacy. So he won't agree to anything else that would potentially lock him out of that. He'll take projects that would still leave him able and available for Star Trek. Why? Because I think he sees himself as Kirk in TMP and he sees Legacy as The Enterprise. Silly as that sounds, I think that's how he thinks of it in his mind.

So, no. They won't lose him. And they don't have to move fast. Then there are the actors. Unless they find another series that guarantees them steady employment for a while, they'll be available to.

That's not the same as my saying Legacy WILL be greenlit. Just that IF it is, Terry Matalas isn't going to say no. His actions and entire MO up this point suggest the exact opposite.

I can't help but feel this dips a little uncomfortably into the Terry "The Chosen One" Matalas cult mentality.

 

[Lord Garth]

I can't help but feel this dips a little uncomfortably into the Terry "The Chosen One" Matalas cult mentality.

I'm not saying I think "He's the Chosen One". I'm saying I think he wouldn't say No. He doesn't have it in him.

I think this is a weakness on his part, not a strength.

 

[HotRod]

I'm not saying I think "He's the Chosen One". I'm saying I think he wouldn't say No. He doesn't have it in him.

I think this is a weakness on his part, not a strength.

Fair enough.

 

[Lord Garth]

BTW, my Chosen Ones are Ira Steven Behr and Michael Chabon.

With Ira, DS9 isn't my favorite Trek, but the fact that he stood up to Rick Berman and would've been prepared to walk away if the situation called for it and told Rick Berman to his face that ENT was crap when B&B sought his advice in 2003 speaks volumes to me.

Michael Chabon because he was truly interested in moving the characters and lore forward. He had to pick up the pieces from where the 24th Century left off and reconstruct it into a new backdrop to work off of. He had the hardest job. He's also an award-winning novelist and willing to step away, which he did.

As much of a fan of Ron Moore as I am, I think he prefers deconstruction over reconstruction. BSG takes deconstruction as far as you can get.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Because I think he sees himself as Kirk in TMP and he sees Legacy as The Enterprise. Silly as that sounds, I think that's how he thinks of it in his mind.

Will he take command from the new show runner, even though he doesn’t know the new show half as well?

 

[Lord Garth]

Will he take command from the new show runner, even though he doesn’t know the new show half as well?

Something will happen.

 

[James Cole]

Just one problem here: If Terry Matalas wants to do the show THAT badly, then it gives Alex Kurtzman all the power. Alex Kurtzman can lay down whatever terms he wants, play as hardball as he wants, or take as long as he wants and know that Terry will agree to it as long as it's greenlit. Unless you can show you're willing and prepared to walk away, the person you're trying to get approval from will stomp all over you.

I'm going to have to disagree here. Somewhere around 2020 or 2021, Matalas posted on Twitter about an indie film from 2006 called THE TV SET, calling it a horror, not a comedy. The film is about a writer (played by David Duchovney) whose pilot is increasingly compromised by network executives. Could this refer to what happened to PICARD season 2? He's very nonchalant about his season of MACGYVER (so it likely isn't that) in interviews, so I think he does have a breaking point.

If you want to check it out, THE TV SET streams with ads on Freevee, and is also on Starz if you run across a promotion (if you do, check out PARTY DOWN, an amazing comedy set in Los Angeles about caterers).

Michael Chabon because he was truly interested in moving the characters and lore forward. He had to pick up the pieces from where the 24th Century left off and reconstruct it into a new backdrop to work off of. He had the hardest job. He's also an award-winning novelist and willing to step away, which he did.

Strongly disagree here. The novelverse did a far far better job with this. And again, season 1 was developed by committee, and Akiva Goldsman even saying as just as much as season 2 was him and Matalas, season 1 was him and Chabon.

 

[Lord Garth]

^ I've owned the film The TV Set on DVD since 2007. It's why I don't want to ever work on a TV Series.

 

[Danja]

Terry has pushed hard for Legacy. He's got Akiva Goldsman, Jonathan Frakes, etc. supporting him.

Both Burtons too (LeVar and Mica).

 

[fireproof78]

Put it to a vote!

Vote now!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Both Burtons too (LeVar and Mica).

Not Jack and Amos?

 

[Danja]

Not Jack and Amos?

I don't think they've commented ...

 

[Lord Garth]

I think talking about Legacy and PIC S3 is becoming too much of a balancing act. I can't be the only one who thinks this.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

In order of likelihood:

Seven
Riker
Jack
Shaw

What about Raffi she was pretty good in season 3, and Worf? was actually pretty badass unlike when he was in TNG