Moments on TNG that make you cringe.
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A few momentary exceptions aside, the cultural presentation of TNG is vastly more outdated than any other Star Trek including TOS. It's the inevitable result of writers attempts to repeatedly focus on actual details of why humanity is 'better' which are always deeply and painfully obviously mired in 80s cultural attitudes. As opposed to just letting people be people, which remains more relatable even across large generational gaps.
Yes, Utopia is hard to do. But I disagree here. All the older Treks are dated by now in their own way and between TNG and TOS I have a much easier time relating to and understanding the 1980s characters in TNG than with the 1960s characters in TOS. Part of that might be that I do not have many heterosexual male friends, but there is definitely a huge difference in culture tween the eras I've lived through and the 1960s. And a huge difference in writing style.
Don't get hung up on this. We all know JesterFace meant SFX in general, we do not need to turn this into a thing/a discussion.
I find TNG's culture to be 'floating'. In universe, we see the culture of the Federation change; from Kirk's TOS and Movie Era 'empire-on-the-watch' to the effete, pompous TNG to the post-borg, post-dominion humbled Federation of ds9, Voy, and TLD.
This makes the world feel organic, living, breathing. The Federation was loving the smell of its own farts, and arguably, they weren't wrong - on a regional level. On the galactic stage they were however a second rate power, and this forced them to adapt and change, but hopefully without undoing their core values...too much.
This makes the world feel organic, living, breathing. The Federation was loving the smell of its own farts, and arguably, they weren't wrong - on a regional level. On the galactic stage they were however a second rate power, and this forced them to adapt and change, but hopefully without undoing their core values...too much.
I agree that "Rascals" was dreck, despite that young actor really having Jean Luc down.
The premise: The potential for immortality has been unlocked, but we love dying of old age so it's never used.
The initial fight: A few Ferengi manage to take over the whole ship.
Retaking the ship: Those same Ferengi get easily outwitted.
Keiko and O'Brien: The chief was honorable enough, but still... ick.
And Picard: he returns to duty immediately after assimilation by the Borg, 40 subjective years on Kataan, and brutal Cardassian torture... but because he doesn't look like Picard anymore, Beverly can't wait to bully him into stepping down.
The premise: The potential for immortality has been unlocked, but we love dying of old age so it's never used.
The initial fight: A few Ferengi manage to take over the whole ship.
Retaking the ship: Those same Ferengi get easily outwitted.
Keiko and O'Brien: The chief was honorable enough, but still... ick.
And Picard: he returns to duty immediately after assimilation by the Borg, 40 subjective years on Kataan, and brutal Cardassian torture... but because he doesn't look like Picard anymore, Beverly can't wait to bully him into stepping down.
But.... it's the future =)
I think I meant the special effects, phasers, explosion and all that, the acronym wasn't the right one.
Visual Effects (VFX) might be more helpful next time
I guess I can't hold the battle over Veridian 3 against them and a Bird of Prey kicking the Enterprise's aft.
Visual Effects (VFX) might be more helpful next time
Well, there's always the possibility to learn new things.
It got me once again, the language barrier, it's like the galactic barrier but harder to get through.
I figured as much and it doesn't make total sense with the abbreviations in EnglishWell, there's always the possibility to learn new things.
It got me once again, the language barrier, it's like the galactic barrier but harder to get through.
And yet it's a product of the 1980s and expresses the Zeitgeist of that era, including in the behaviour of the characters.
Surely you understand that... or has culture in Finland not changed at all in the last 40 years? ;-)
That whole episode is a train wreck. What bugs me the most about it though is the "aliens take over the ship" trope.
Star Trek does this so many times that you would think the chief of security is a completely incompetent moron. Tuvok, for example, was particularly bad at it ship security
The Enterprise being overpowered by two Birds of Prey manned by FERENGI!
Yeah, the young-Picard almost steals the show. The child actors were chosen well, that's for sure.
As much as "Rascals" is 90% rubbish, the one thing that I always found to be positive was the Guinan/Ro double-act. As adults or transmogrified as kid versios, it goes a long way in making up for the grossly contrived situation in how the big-D became the big-easy.
It is therefore almost fitting that only one of the same class Klingon vessel managed to destroy the big-D as well in the "Generations" movie...
It is therefore almost fitting that only one of the same class Klingon vessel managed to destroy the big-D as well in the "Generations" movie...
That was also cringe but at least the Duras sisters were given a cheat code.
They even showed them in one episode when Tasha had a hallucination about being back on Mad Max World. They came after her with flash lights while she was hiding in a tunnel, holding on tightly to her cat. *cringe*
That's why I actually really like her anti-drug speech, I don't know why exactly it is so maligned. Nothing she says is wrong, and it's a realistic aspect of her growing up on a hellhole planet where many people would use hard drugs to escape reality. And at least it is *one* thing we learn about her past and planet that didn't involve those damn gangs.
Actually it might have been a much less cringe-worthy thing if Tasha had told Data "I learned to survive under the drug cartels" it still gives the same message, just a little less cringe-worthy.
I suppose rape gangs are more shocking and offensive so maybe they felt that would really drive home the idea that her home planet was a terrible place.
