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What's your unpopular opinions on SNW?
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Nobody told me we would be using math in this debate.
What I am saying is far simpler. I am saying that SNW is a hen party, and that it is filled with little digs at men like the one in the video I have been referring to, and that ultimately, this is a pretty big turn off to male viewers. Take it or leave it.
You've not experienced maths until you've calculated it in the original base 60
hahahaha, I've been watching since the 60s. Try again.
Can you not see though how by that logic TNG was the "lads on tour" hitting up Space Maga (Shaggers only)?
The digs at men personally I think come down to personal perception i.e. the nature of body language can allow for this to be subjective rather than objective - I don't see it and I think there is enough evidence against it but I'm not going to tell you that you haven't perceived it.
The moments you showed, for example, could as easily be that starship crews thing starbase crews to be a bunch of lazy wankers who know the books but not the real world, hence the eye rolling
Because they shared smiles? It came off to me as bemusement that these two interlopers think they know the computers we use on a daily basis better than we do.
I want you to imagine the exact same scene, exactly the same dialogue and smirks and eyerolls...everything, and then flip the sexes. How does that scene read to you then?
I think SNW thinks it is clever enough for this to have been interpreted that way.
You would never have the same scene because soon as you change it up you change the characters. But if you asking has and female characters being made fun of by two men then were you got Geordi and Riker being amused by the Godess of Empathy in the first Barclay episode.
I read the scene to show that Uhura, no longer a cadet, took her job seriously. She has finally fully committed to Starfleet. With Ortegas, it's showing she's protective of her stuff, mixed with her somewhat snarky attitude.
That you choose to view it the way you do, says far more about yourself than I think you realize.
This is REALLY a stretch. You know as well as I do that this was a "mansplaining" scene. It was awkward and out of place... as much as the fat nerd with glasses at Ortegas' station was. I mean, Jesus Christ....
You're overlooking the fact that SNW has made it very clear that the Illyrians are not a unified state -- there are different Illyrian communities with different attitudes towards the Federation.
Also, people have every right to petition the Federation for Membership and to also petition the Federation to change its laws. That's freedom of speech. The Federation, of course, has the right to refuse membership, and its democratically-elected legislators have the right to refuse to change the law if a majority of Federation citizens do not so favor changing the law.
I can 100% see Khan having children. If he believes in his own genetic superiority, I can definitely imagine him wanting to have as many children by as many women as possible. The 23rd Century may well be littered with descendants of Khan Noonien Sighn.
I would love to see all of that.
This is a textbook example of "when you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
I'm sorry, but literally all of Star Trek had varying levels of misogynistic subtext until Star Trek: Discovery premiered in 2017. You cannot seriously claim that shows that had its female characters dress in ridiculously sexually objectifying costumes like Troi, Seven, and T'Pol was "an era of Trek where women really were equals."
(The least misogynistic show having obviously been DS9, but even DS9 did things like portray Quark's sexual harassment of his employees as a lovable eccentricity or have Kira change uniforms into something more sexually objectifying in S4.)
"#MessageTrek?" You mean like that episode about the aliens who were white on one side and black on the other? Or the numerous lectures from Picard? Jesus man, Star Trek has always been "#MessageTrek."
Too late; it's already happened. Star Trek: Discovery has been a source of a great deal of inspiration for people from the queer community for its taking the lead in depicting nonbinary and transgender characters and for how many gay, lesbian, and bi characters if features.
I agree. And characters like Michael, Saru, La'an, Mariner, Boimler, Jurati, Soji, Adira, Gray, Tendi, Dal, and Gwyndala continue that legacy.
Exactly so.
And I think that shows in the back and forth too. I think it comes down to interpretation. That this is viewed as a negative is an interesting take on what is considered a more traditional Trek so.
You know what? If it happened once in the scene, you might get a pass. It happened twice. And the fact that it was all men vs. all women was as on the nose as if it were all blacks versus all whites.
Hold on... let me take a sip of coffee so I can do a proper spit take.
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Okay, done. (You owe me a new monitor.) Put down the Robin DiAngelo for a moment: How is it "equal" to dump on men in such an obvious way instead of just treating all the characters as... y'know, equals? Sort of like they did in TNG?
Well, now we can add "varying levels of misandry" to the tally. What a great leap forward.
As for the costumes, its a little something called "sex sells". You may have noticed that all the women on these shows, regardless of costume, are very attractive (the men too, except for Silent Bob). That's because it's what people want to watch. I personally could have done without it, just as I could do without the subtle hostility towards men I am decrying. (BTW, are any women writing or directing these episodes of SNW? These have Liberal Male Guilt all over them. How about they bring in the team form Russian Doll to teach these clowns how empowered women ought to be written?)
That epsiode was so delightfully messagy that it has become iconic. Let me know when SNW comes up with something that endearing.
That's swell. And if they'd eased up on the throttle just a little, they might not have been cancelled. Silent Bob is also in the audience, my dear. In fact, he is MOST of the audience.
You're not funny.
Get your ass to Hollywood, baby. Screw the strike: Teach me how its done.
What did you expect to find in a thread called 'What's your unpopular opinions on SNW?'
But that isn't how they play it or even write it. It's not like one of guys is like "Here darling let me help you out. I teched the tech so you don't need worry your pretty little face over the tech thing if is doing the tech thing." Then Uhura is like "I am not "darling". I am ENSIGN Nyota Uhura. I think I know how to use my computer station. Don't you two have something better to do?" the other girls on the bridge are like 'You Go GIrl." and the one guy is like 'Nevermind. It was just a joke. Typical girl. Doesn't get humor. Let's go Dan. I know were some REAL girls are to talk to." and Dan is like 'Yeah! No kidding. Lets go." and then they walk off the bridge."
I'm not likely to convince you about this, but it seems not to have occurred to you that if what they were really trying to do is create a moment that was merely "Starbase Dorks" versus "Enterprise Expertise", and they didn't want any Bernie Bros like me crying foul, that they could have simply made the Starbase Dorks WOMEN ALSO.
Huh. I wooonnnnnderrrr why they diiiiiiidn't.
Just pay attention to moments like this in future episodes, is all I ask. It boils down to "Have they chosen to make a woman look strong by simultaneously making a man look weak?" That's the lazy writing I am talking about.
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