What's your unpopular opinions on SNW?

[fireproof78]

These one-word opinions being spit back and forth is making me understand the nature of the divide between people who grew up on the previous generations of Trek and the people who think that this third-generation stuff is where it's at. They don't actually expect anything from the show-- they are just glad that it exists.

Grew up on TOS, thanks. My VHS, until stolen by Kurtzman, were well worn.

And, no, I do expect something of the show-entertainment. Not philosophy, not moralizing, not a guide on life. Entertainment, characters, like Pike, I can invest in. That's it.

Star Trek is Entertainment first and foremost. It tackles some interesting human stories in the form of drama. It exists in a heightened reality at times. It is not a source of inspiration for me.

TOS is the best Trek. The rest are easily ignored.

There's my unpopular opinions.

 

[HotRod]

Oh, hold on… What you meant was “The Silent Bob-looking nerd just doing his job was mansplaining to the woman”, right?

Yeah, I got THAT. That’s why the scene sucked. I know that Star Trek is now in the hands of people who have to consult Memory Alpha periodically to find out who the Emperor of the Federation is, but that doesn’t mean that WE have to ignore what has come before. And in the canon of Star Trek, the implied sexism of that scene is very out of place.

Which circles back to why I think this scene represents SNW’s anti-male sexism. It is just a naked “the penis is evil” scene. Three women rolling their eyes at men who dared intrude in their fertility circle or whatever. In the writers’ minds It’s not enough that this future military organization has women at every station… that does not empower women enough for the knucklehead viewers.The audience can’t “feel” their power unless they are also telling men to piss off.

Excuse me for preferring the era of Trek where women really WERE equals, as opposed to #MessageTrek.

Jesus Christ..... you're still on about that?!

Dude.... take a hint.

 

[Sketcher]

I believe both Celia Rose Gooding and Jess Bush are both gender-fluid. At least going by their instagram pronouns. While the characters they portray are female, it'd be interesting to see this aspect brought into SNW.

 

[cooleddie74]

I "expect" Trek to entertain and enlighten me, which more than a few episodes (pretty much all of them, as a matter of fact) of SNW have done. If being one of the "smart" Trekkies means seeing the franchise through one lens and viewing it as a series of James Burke-hosted science documentaries about deep space that give us the occasional pew-pew battle with aliens then I'll opt out of submitting my membership application, thank you very much.

There's a lot of smart Trek, a lot of dumb Trek and plenty of adequately entertaining Trek and all any of has it do to tick the boxes with me is be worth my time, entertaining and make me want to come back to watch more. I'm not looking for any of it to win a Pulitzer Prize or become a prerequisite course in obtaining a Ph.D.

 

[Death Ray]

Grew up on TOS, thanks. My VHS, until stolen by Kurtzman, were well worn.

And, no, I do expect something of the show-entertainment. Not philosophy, not moralizing, not a guide on life. Entertainment, characters, like Pike, I can invest in. That's it.

Star Trek is Entertainment first and foremost. It tackles some interesting human stories in the form of drama. It exists in a heightened reality at times. It is not a source of inspiration for me.

TOS is the best Trek. The rest are easily ignored.

There's my unpopular opinions.

Well, it is unlikely that the current series will ever be a source of inspiration for anyone. As for "entertainment"... entertainment does not exist in a vacuum. Philosophy and social commentary ARE entertaining when they are crafted well, and these thing contribute to the characters and make them iconic. Phone it in and you get what we are getting now.

Kirk, Spock, Picard, Data, Worf... these characters will be remembered because they were not simply there for "entertainment". They made the show entertaining because of how they were developed, and becuase of the stories they inhabited. What you are describing sounds more like you are being slopped than entertained.

 

[Death Ray]

I'm not looking for any of it to win a Pulitzer Prize

TV wins Emmies, not Pulitzers.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, it is unlikely that the current series will ever be a source of inspiration for anyone. A

DSC already did for me. So, no.

What you are describing sounds more like you are being slopped than entertained.

No.

Seriously, no.

 

[Death Ray]

DSC already did for me. So, no.


No.

Seriously, no.

You really could be a writer for SNW. Yes. Seriously… you could.

 

[fireproof78]

You really could be a writer for SNW. Yes. Seriously… you could.

I already have 4 jobs, thanks.

 

[cooleddie74]

TV wins Emmies, not Pulitzers.

Yes.

I'm well aware of that.

Sigh.

 

[Death Ray]

I already have 4 jobs, thanks.

Dump them. You have one job now: Putting your crackling dialogue in Uhura’s mouth. Seriously. Seriously YES.

 

[Death Ray]

Yes.

I'm well aware of that.

Sigh.

Well, good news: This show is likely going to fulfill all your dreams of winning no awards. This is the curse of franchises that just get passed around like a Hollywood escort. They only have so many miles in them.

 

[fireproof78]

Dump them. You have one job now: Putting your crackling dialogue in Uhura’s mouth. Seriously. Seriously YES.

With due respect, this is not possible. Kindly leave it alone.

Yes.

I'm well aware of that.

Sigh.

None of which has any bearing on entertainment.

 

[Ovation]

How about you throw in your two bits for this conversation instead of just smiling smugly while sipping your kombucha?

So far, the “ideas” presented by you merit no effort in response. So “one word opinions” are all they deserve.

These one-word opinions being spit back and forth is making me understand the nature of the divide between people who grew up on the previous generations of Trek and the people who think that this third-generation stuff is where it's at. They don't actually expect anything from the show-- they are just glad that it exists.

So much unfounded assumption in so few sentences. Yawn.

 

[Death Ray]

So far, the “ideas” presented by you merit no effort in response. So “one word opinions” are all they deserve.

Okay... stop flattering yourself. The fact that you have nothing to say on a topic doesn't mean you have proven your point. This is like Donald Trump logic: "I imagine these documents are declassified, therefor they are".

So much unfounded assumption in so few sentences. Yawn.

It is becoming so crystal clear to me why certain people love the smug, self-congratulatory messaging of this show.

 

[Jayson1]

These one-word opinions being spit back and forth is making me understand the nature of the divide between people who grew up on the previous generations of Trek and the people who think that this third-generation stuff is where it's at. They don't actually expect anything from the show-- they are just glad that it exists.

Some people like both the old and new stuff. They just see the new stuff as being different. Sometimes different in good like SNW, Picard season 3, Lower Decks and Prodigy and THE ORVILLE and sometimes bad like Discovery. As for the engineer scene were the girls don't want their advice. That is common in Trek.

Geordi didn't like Brahms at first because she was complaining how he was doing his job. Geordi didn't like even the great Scotty getting in hair, Riker yelled at Ro for making some changes to the navigation something or other and saying "Pilots have been doing it this way for years. We don't change it because Ro Lauren says so" or something like that. Nobody messes with Scotty's engineering room. Odo hated Starfleet trying to tell him to follow Starfleet procedure. When Bones beamed up after spending the day partying at a Disco in "TMP' he soon starts complaining about how engineers always like to change things and got frustrated about all the computer stuff in sickbay

 

[Weyoun 251]

Against my better judgement but lets run with this.

You hold up the pre-2005 series as presenting women as equals (less so TOS) and being a more equal showing of the future than 2016- onwards, right?

And part of your theory on this you cite the gender split of the main crew meaning that the new shows are made predominantly for women, right?

So is it not then fair, and accurate, to state that the older shows were made mostly for men? TNG - M v F = 5 v 2/3 (Tasha in S1); DS0 - M v F = 4/5 (Worf S4 onwards) v 2; Voy - obviously made for women as Janeway is captain and therefore bosses around the men and by the (generously named) logic shown has clearly made Chakotay a cuckholded shadow of a man? Right?

If you don't like the writing I don't think anyone here would argue with you as that is your right.

But to make sweeping statements based on only marginally detailed suggestions based around the gender split of the case isn't endearing anyone of helping them buy into the idea.

 

[fireproof78]

It is becoming so crystal clear to me why certain people love the smug, self-congratulatory messaging of this show.

If I wanted that I'd watch TNG, especially season 2.

 

[Death Ray]

As for the engineer scene were the girls don't want their advice. That is common in Trek.

You are free to have it your way. If you can't tell that this particular scene was a "Don't mansplain me, you MAN!" moment (two moments, actually: Ortegas and Uhura, in case we didn't get it the first time) as opposed to one of the benign "keep your beauracracy out of my actual experience!" scenes that you cited, then I think we are watching two different shows.

 

[fireproof78]

then I think we are watching two different shows.

That much is self-evident by this conversation.