TBF there are people that HATE westerns.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x09 - "Subspace Rhapsody"
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But my point is I don't like musicals. I realize that's what makes a musical a musical.
I just don't enjoy movies where everything stops and they break into song and dance. Probably why I don't enjoy musicals (at least the singing/dancing kind).
BTW, not a big fan of westerns either
But there are plenty of things I do enjoy. Sci-fi, horror, comedies, Hitchcock movies and 007 movies.
Is there another kind? “Music” is right there in the name.
Here is how I know this episode is a rousing success, it passed "The Jessica Test."
Jess, being my wife, who is about as blasé towards Star Trek as you can get, was singing along with me is the car the other day while I played "We Are One."
That fact she knew all the words shocked me to no end. She said "It's pretty good and catchy."
This is a major accomplishment.
Really, the last time she truly enjoyed Trek, was the first 15 minutes of Trek '09.
So, good on you Strange New Worlds! Good on you.
Jess, being my wife, who is about as blasé towards Star Trek as you can get, was singing along with me is the car the other day while I played "We Are One."
That fact she knew all the words shocked me to no end. She said "It's pretty good and catchy."
This is a major accomplishment.
Really, the last time she truly enjoyed Trek, was the first 15 minutes of Trek '09.
So, good on you Strange New Worlds! Good on you.
Is there another kind? “Music” is right there in the name.
Sure there are. Saturday Night Fever is considered by some to be a musical. That movie involves a lot of dancing but the characters don't sing. And that's one musical film I do actually like.
There's also an old (and obscure) Hitchcock film from the 1930's called Waltzes From Vienna that was a musical (his only musical). That film is about the writing of the Blue Danube. There is minimal singing in that film at points but mostly it's about the waltz itself that doesn't include vocals.
I like The Nutcracker, which is a musical without singing. Just dancing.
Apparently singing is the line.
Too bad, because Phantom of the Opera, Sound of Music, South Pacific, King and I, Jesus Christ Superstar, among others, are all amazing.
Too bad, because Phantom of the Opera, Sound of Music, South Pacific, King and I, Jesus Christ Superstar, among others, are all amazing.
There are a few exceptions. Sometimes seeing them on stage is more entertaining for me. Not always but there have been a few.
And there might be one or two movie exceptions. I did actually like Moulin Rouge when it came out. And if you consider The Wizard of Oz a musical I did like that.
Like anything I never believe in absolutes. There are always exceptions. Most sing/dance musicals I don't care for, but there is the occasional exception. Sadly "Subspace Rhapsody" did not count as one for me. But it was always going to be an uphill battle in my case I'm afraid. I tried.
I feel you. THE ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW is the only musical I ever liked.
Oh, I don't care one luck for Subspace Rhapsody. I'm more intrigued by the why of opinions than any specific instances.
Well in my case it's just that I don't typically care for the singing/dancing musicals.
But then no show is perfect. Voyager had "Threshold," Enterprise had "These are the Voyages," Picard had season 2 and now SNW has "Subspace Rhapsody." Every so often a Star Trek comes out that I don't really care for.
Sure. But at least one user has compared "Subspace Rhapsody" to a kind of musical it is structurally very different from, so I wanted to draw attention to the variety of types of musicals. Not to say that someone would like one subgenre if they don't like musicals, but just to be clear about different musical subgenres function differently.
I love musicals too much to relate to disliking them.
To be clear, most fans of musicals would argue that the musical sequences are non-diegetic -- we're seeing non-Realistic/Naturalistic representations of the characters' emotions and the story's themes, not literal representations of what is happening in-universe. It's similar in principle to how, when we watch any dramatic film or television program, we understand that there is not actually an invisible orchestra following the characters around and playing music appropriate to the mood of what the characters are doing or experiencing -- just one step further.
ETA: Musical episodes of non-musical TV shows, like Buffy's "Once More, With Feeling" or Strange New Worlds's "Subspace Rhapsody," are actually the exceptions to the rule when it comes to musicals, because their musical sequences are happening in-universe.
My current favorite is Hadestown.
Love that show. Amazing that Mitchell wrote "Why We Build the Wall" so many years before Donald Trump began running for president.
I wouldn't consider anything in which the characters never sing a musical, regardless of how much dancing there is.
I don't know what version of the Nutcracker you're talking about, but every version I've ever seen was either a drama (no singing or dancing) or a ballet (dancing, no singing), not a musical.
I actually just finished watching it (weeks later)...
I had no issue with the premise, and how it progressed. No issue with it being a musical.
Didn't like the final solution (ie. everybody has to sing together)....
a) everybody really just meant everybody of interest had to sing. Fine, let that go.
b) maybe I didn't get the common emotional theme everybody was singing about. Coordinating an expression of individual music emotions on a mass scale is almost impossible. It's like asking everybody to cry at the same time about different things in their life. Just felt completely disjointed to me. It would have made more sense for them to sing about a common emotion. Maybe the fear/hope surrounding the Klingons coming to destroy the fold, and hence destroy everything affected by it.
c) Nitpick coming: there were some random crew members dancing in the halls in unison, but I thought the new reality forced everybody to sing to express emotion, and not dance.
The worst...
Klingon boy band sequence was just cringeworthy. Sorry, but that just made the show/sequence look like a parody. Would have preferred they went into some form of Klingon song.
Positives?
I can say is it got my wife's attention. She not at all into Trek, and well she was wondering what I was watching from far away, and my youngest boys watched a little bit of it.
I had no issue with the premise, and how it progressed. No issue with it being a musical.
Didn't like the final solution (ie. everybody has to sing together)....
a) everybody really just meant everybody of interest had to sing. Fine, let that go.
b) maybe I didn't get the common emotional theme everybody was singing about. Coordinating an expression of individual music emotions on a mass scale is almost impossible. It's like asking everybody to cry at the same time about different things in their life. Just felt completely disjointed to me. It would have made more sense for them to sing about a common emotion. Maybe the fear/hope surrounding the Klingons coming to destroy the fold, and hence destroy everything affected by it.
c) Nitpick coming: there were some random crew members dancing in the halls in unison, but I thought the new reality forced everybody to sing to express emotion, and not dance.
The worst...
Klingon boy band sequence was just cringeworthy. Sorry, but that just made the show/sequence look like a parody. Would have preferred they went into some form of Klingon song.
Positives?
I can say is it got my wife's attention. She not at all into Trek, and well she was wondering what I was watching from far away, and my youngest boys watched a little bit of it.
I didn't read all the pages from about 20 til now, but I just wanted to pop back in here to mention the following:
I checked out TV Graphs to see what the general public (i.e. IMDB users) think of this season of SNW and I found that "Subspace Rhapsody" is rated the lowest of the season and second lowest overall after "Elysian Kingdom". While I agree about EK, I can't understand rating SR so low. I guess some people just dislike musicals and can't evaluate the episode on its own merits (song/singing quality, story, acting, mood/fun). How much you "like" the episode factors into the rating regardless of the quality of the production, so it makes sense that this episode might not be a 9/10, but a 6.9/10 is pretty low for how good this episode was and I don't even like more than a handful of musicals.
Ii don't know. I think it worked. I was not overly emotional as Uhura started her address to the whole crew, but as her song started, i got invested and carried along with it - I was emotional then. If I was in a musical reality, I probably would have started singing and (a la M'Benga) I don't sing.
I checked out TV Graphs to see what the general public (i.e. IMDB users) think of this season of SNW and I found that "Subspace Rhapsody" is rated the lowest of the season and second lowest overall after "Elysian Kingdom". While I agree about EK, I can't understand rating SR so low. I guess some people just dislike musicals and can't evaluate the episode on its own merits (song/singing quality, story, acting, mood/fun). How much you "like" the episode factors into the rating regardless of the quality of the production, so it makes sense that this episode might not be a 9/10, but a 6.9/10 is pretty low for how good this episode was and I don't even like more than a handful of musicals.
Ii don't know. I think it worked. I was not overly emotional as Uhura started her address to the whole crew, but as her song started, i got invested and carried along with it - I was emotional then. If I was in a musical reality, I probably would have started singing and (a la M'Benga) I don't sing.
Every time I (try to) sing along with the soundtrack, Celia impresses me more.