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Wasn't there supposed to be a two-year break between Mando S2 and S3?
I thought that was just a misinterpretation of what Favreau or Filoni said in interviews about Mando S3? IE, when they said "it's been two years" they meant two years in the real world, not two years in-universe?
Just wondering why the NR is taking apart the ISD's and building new ships, instead of just retrofitting them like they do in the EU novels?
Demilitarization. The Empire had a LOT of warships. The New Republic doesn't want, need, or is able to operate a fleet anywhere near that size, so the more of them taken out of circulation the better, and that parts stripped from their decommissioning can be used to build things other than just more warships, or even ships at all.
I seem to recall a storyline in the comics a few years back about the Rebel Alliance commandeering a Star Destroyer but it ultimately not serving them much good since the Rebels couldn't spare anywhere near enough personnel to operate the thing properly. Which I imagine is a similar situation here, the New Republic only intends to operate a military a mere fraction the size of the Imperial military, and as such won't have enough personnel to properly staff even one Star Destroyer.
 
2. Optics. Those things were a symbol of oppression across a million worlds for a generation. Slapping a starbird on the side of one and promising people "we're nothing like those other guys" just won't cut it.

It seems to have been quietly revised out in later editions, but the initial version of the Cross-Sections books implied that the first Imperial (or, at the time, Imperator) Star Destroyers were already in service before the Clone Wars ended. That's still possible in the canon, I know some novels had them showing up practically immediately after the Empire was founded, but I was always struck by the image of a classic Star Destroyer in Republic colors. If that had been the case, it'd be an even harder sell that the New Republic using them would've been a legitimate change, as opposed to just showing that "SD" stands for "same shit, different day."

Speaking of ships, I noticed some new markings on the X-Wings. I'm pretty sure all the ones we've seen in "Mandalorian" have had the same Red Squadron insignia from the OT. It's not a big variation, I think it was just a different color stripe, but it's something. I was hoping that we'd start seeing a wider variety, maybe using the designs from "Squadrons."
 
Morgan has been having force visions about him.
That's a lot to go on. Building a hyper drive gate in space based on visions which have proven unreliable (deceptively so) for other characters in the past is foolish if not crazy. Again, Thrawn is not force sensitive, Morgan is not a Jedi or Sith. The amount of resources needed to accomplish this task would seem to require something a little more concrete.
 
That's a lot to go on. Building a hyper drive gate in space based on visions which have proven unreliable (deceptively so) for other characters in the past is foolish if not crazy. Again, Thrawn is not force sensitive, Morgan is not a Jedi or Sith. The amount of resources needed to accomplish this task would seem to require something a little more concrete.
Jedi and Sith are not the only Force users out there. The Jedi put all their eggs in the Chosen One prophecy and that was crazy. Why would it require something concrete? Morgan wields enough power to force it (no pun intended) to happen and appeal to other beings quest for power. For many the promise of power is sufficient.
 
I always do wonder, though.

Baylan talks of 'more power than you ever dreamed.' Okay, what do you do with that power once you have it? Infinite ale and whores? Rule the little people? Become the Squire of Gothos?

Maybe I'm not imaginative enough. I mean, it's easy to see what someone good would do with unlimited power- there's a lot of wrongs to be righted out there. But the evil guys? Palpatine sat around his throne room all day, sucking his gums and cackling. What did that guy ever do with his power except put the boot on the necks of those he never met or cared about? He could have just as easily done that with a single castle and some minions on Mustafar, and left the rest of the galaxy alone. What was his actual purpose, other than as something for the good guys to fight against?
 
I always do wonder, though.

Baylan talks of 'more power than you ever dreamed.' Okay, what do you do with that power once you have it? Infinite ale and whores? Rule the little people? Become the Squire of Gothos?

Maybe I'm not imaginative enough. I mean, it's easy to see what someone good would do with unlimited power- there's a lot of wrongs to be righted out there. But the evil guys? Palpatine sat around his throne room all day, sucking his gums and cackling. What did that guy ever do with his power except put the boot on the necks of those he never met or cared about? He could have just as easily done that with a single castle and some minions on Mustafar, and left the rest of the galaxy alone. What was his actual purpose, other than as something for the good guys to fight against?
For many, power is like money. If you start out with too little, taught to crave it and desire it above all else, then no amount of power is enough. Everything exists to serve yourself, your needs, and wants, and to be constantly increasing that power. The error is the assumption that the lust for power can ever be satiated; it cannot. Like any other lust contentment comes by recognizing what one actually needs, not what one actually desires.

And it isn't just questing for more power, but actively hoarding it against others who might take it away and be a threat to them. The lust for power breeds also a level of paranoia because you imagine the world around you is constantly seeking to overthrow you, to take your power away, and to destroy you. So, you are also watching out for those who are plotting against you, and even if they are not you will still work to destroy them.

You cannot approach it from logic; it is a deeply emotionally driven lust that cannot be satisfied.
 
Jedi Marso said:
It's the first time since our 'young, impressionistic' OT era that we've been given the hope that anyone can wield the Force, not just a special few.
But if anyone can wield the Force, what was the point of Moff Gideon's experiments with Grogu's blood?
 
Because if there's one thing Star Wars is renowned for, it's telling stories strictly in chronological order! :lol:

The difference would be if they suddenly made Return of the Jedi a prequel to the previous movies. Yes, the saga is "out of order", but only to a point.

People naturally assume that, since Ahsoka appeared in previous shows, that naturally her own show would occur after those appearances.

If they were to mess with that, it would seriously (and needlessly) confuse everyone for arguably no reason.
 
I seem to recall a storyline in the comics a few years back about the Rebel Alliance commandeering a Star Destroyer but it ultimately not serving them much good since the Rebels couldn't spare anywhere near enough personnel to operate the thing properly. Which I imagine is a similar situation here, the New Republic only intends to operate a military a mere fraction the size of the Imperial military, and as such won't have enough personnel to properly staff even one Star Destroyer.
Well also keep in mind here that the rebellion absolutely would (and probably did) use captured Destroyers if given the opportunity. It's a rebellion after all, and they can't exactly be picky about where they get their hardware, especially not when it of that magnitude. It's quite a bit different once they've won and trying to set themselves up as a legitimate government.

But yes, there is a certain impracticality with trying to adapt an ISD for peacetime use. Aside from breaking the last hold-out warlords, I can't see the NR having much of a need for orbital bombardment, or the need to launch massive mechanised ground assaults.
It seems to have been quietly revised out in later editions, but the initial version of the Cross-Sections books implied that the first Imperial (or, at the time, Imperator) Star Destroyers were already in service before the Clone Wars ended. That's still possible in the canon, I know some novels had them showing up practically immediately after the Empire was founded, but I was always struck by the image of a classic Star Destroyer in Republic colors. If that had been the case, it'd be an even harder sell that the New Republic using them would've been a legitimate change, as opposed to just showing that "SD" stands for "same shit, different day."
I think the earliest we've seen the ISDs is in Fallen Order which is about 5 years after the Clone Wars. Though even that appearance is a little dubious given they seemed to just borrow the BF2 asset from DICE, which is based on the eight footer from 'Empire', not the original three footer in 'A New Hope' as it probably should have been.
Speaking of ships, I noticed some new markings on the X-Wings. I'm pretty sure all the ones we've seen in "Mandalorian" have had the same Red Squadron insignia from the OT. It's not a big variation, I think it was just a different color stripe, but it's something. I was hoping that we'd start seeing a wider variety, maybe using the designs from "Squadrons."
Yeah, I noticed the T-65s in the prison transport's hangar had a blue stripe along the fuselage that wrapped under and around the belly, just behind the torpedo tubes, as well as a semi-large NR gold starbird seal a little further back on the flanks, between the cockpit & engine intakes.

Given that the A-Wings in that hangar similarly have blue markings and a seal on the tailfin, and that the Lothal E-Wings shared the same markings, plus of course the blue flightsuits and uniforms worn by both these soldiers and the police on Corellia (which may or may not actually be CorSec), it's a fair bet that this is simply the standard livery of NR security/judicial forces (likely evoking the Republic Senate Guard of old.) Indeed I'm pretty sure Kaz's NR marking in 'Resistance' were basically the same.
By contrast, while it's tough to make out what their markings were, the X-Wings flying CAP for Home One didn't seem to have those blue security markings at all. The ones on the hangar at least seemed to have green markings; no nose stripe just the belly wrap-around. So there could be a distinction between security forces and the actual military.
Which incidentally would make the Rangers under the military, since what we've seen of them seems to be split between different red & green marking schemes.
The difference would be if they suddenly made Return of the Jedi a prequel to the previous movies. Yes, the saga is "out of order", but only to a point.

People naturally assume that, since Ahsoka appeared in previous shows, that naturally her own show would occur after those appearances.

If they were to mess with that, it would seriously (and needlessly) confuse everyone for arguably no reason.
It's not as confusing as you're making it out to be, especially since you don't have to have seen one show to understand what's going on in the other. Worse case, there's some dovetail exposition down the line that places when this is happening relative to Mando, but it probably won't even be necessary.
 
it's not as confusing as you're making it out to be, especially since you don't have to have seen one show to understand what's going on in the other. Worse case, there's some dovetail exposition down the line that places when this is happening relative to Mando, but it probably won't even be necessary.

I'd be extremely surprised if we don't see her first meeting with Luke in this series.
 
The difference would be if they suddenly made Return of the Jedi a prequel to the previous movies. Yes, the saga is "out of order", but only to a point.
From what I understand, it may not be at all hyperbolic to say The Clone Wars is one of the most achronological fiction TV series English-language history? And, would you like to remind the class here just who oversaw that particular show?

Baylan talks of 'more power than you ever dreamed.' Okay, what do you do with that power once you have it? Infinite ale and whores?
Given this is Titus Pullo we're talking about... yes, probably.

(FWIW, in the Thrawn Trilogy, C'Baoth fancied himself more ambitious than even Palpatine in his efforts to Force-rewrite peoples' very minds.)

Palpatine sat around his throne room all day, sucking his gums and cackling. What did that guy ever do with his power except put the boot on the necks of those he never met or cared about?
1) Attempted to perfect cloning tech that would keep him functionally immortal at the height of his abilities, of course.
2) Do we know for sure that he wasn't getting daily foot massages from young ladies over the years? (In the EU, the villain Prince Xixor enjoyed female attention.)

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I'd be extremely surprised if we don't see her first meeting with Luke in this series.
It would be quite a sign of implicit trust in him if she'd instructed Din to help Grogu call out to him without her having met him yet herself.
 
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I'd be extremely surprised if we don't see her first meeting with Luke in this series.
Honestly, I wouldn't put money on it either way. By which I mean it's not impossible, but Luke seems like he's pretty tangential to the story being told here, so the focus is going to be more on Ahsoka & Sabine.

Indeed if you go back and listen to the themes used in the end credits, it seems like it's mostly going to be a Sabine show perhaps a little more than Ahsoka so far as Kevin Kiner seems to think. ;)
Given this is Titus Pullo we're talking about, yes, probably.

(FWIW, in the Thrawn Trilogy, C'Baoth fancied himself more ambitious than even Palpatine in his efforts to Force-rewrite peoples' very minds.)
Not for nothing, but he was also crazier than a box of frogs, and deluded to boot. So I doubt he could actually pull off one tenth of what he intended.
1) Attempted to perfect cloning tech that would keep him functionally immortal at the height of his abilities, of course.
True in and of itself, but in a broader sense what he was really doing was waging a multi-pronged war on mortality itself. Cloning was just one avenue. Too bad for him it didn't work, and his clone was just as deluded as C'Baoth's in Legends.
2) Do we know for sure that he wasn't getting daily foot massages from young ladies over the years? (In the EU, the villain Prince Xixor enjoyed female attention.)
Yeash. One of the many things I really don't miss about the EU is the creepy implications about Palpie's proclivities.
I mean the implication that Mara Jade was supposed to be one of his concubines (or at least posed as one) is bad enough, without getting into the whole three-eyed mutant son thing.

As least the ST had enough sense to make his "son" just a clone.
 
Yep. He wanted access to Force powers then and there and as soon as possible and beyond what it could have done for him I doubt he put too much thought into it.
 
From what I understand, it may not be at all hyperbolic to say The Clone Wars is one of the most achronological fiction TV series English-language history? And, would you like to remind the class here just who oversaw that particular show?

That is a good point! However, since they are trying to net a larger audience of casual fans (at least in theory!!) with their live-action content and since they know they have at least somewhat of a fanbase from the existing Mando-verse shows, I still think they won't do it.

But, your point is a good one.
 
I'd be extremely surprised if we don't see her first meeting with Luke in this series.

Even if this show takes place before the other shows, it's still years after the events of ROTJ. It would be weird for them to have not met yet.
 
Honestly, I wouldn't put money on it either way. By which I mean it's not impossible, but Luke seems like he's pretty tangential to the story being told here, so the focus is going to be more on Ahsoka & Sabine.
Ah, but was Luke's story central to that of Boba Fett's? :rommie:

But if anyone can wield the Force, what was the point of Moff Gideon's experiments with Grogu's blood?
Almost anyone can push a piano key and sound a note, but very few have the talent/capability to be a concert pianist.
 
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