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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Turtletrekker said:
The new action figures have to look different from the old action figures.
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What was that one quote again from Spaceballs....?

"Merchandising!!"

I always should have known better, but when I was in my mid 20s and realised that the GI Joe and Transformers cartoons were nothing more than 20 minute ads for selling toys, a little part of my childhood died. (Yes, Im being melodramatic for comedic effect)
 
M'rk son of Mogh said:
I didn't notice Kamala's update but I LOVE Carol's new costume. It's closer to the original Mar-Vell/Genis/Phyla, which I always liked.
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I figured that, but it still doesn't look good to me as executed onscreen. The material looks strange and puffy, and the colors are so subdued it looks black in some shots.

And the new Ms. Marvel costume just looks garish.
 
Mage said:
Nah. We got the 'underoos' scene which was totally awesome. I'm good with it.

Oh, and the metal arm thing. And the old movie reference. Yeah...... Good stuff.
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Oh Lord, that scene. A minor reason why I had disliked "Civil War" so much. It's strange that no one in the movies had criticized Tony Stark for dragging a teenager into that fight. I still have memories of Barbara Gordon criticizing Bruce Wayne for recruiting teenagers into his vigilante activities in "Titans".
 
They did criticize him for it, they just didn't press it very hard since they were all busy fighting at the time.

Also, nothing in the movie says any of them actually know Peter's literally a teenager. Tony never introduces him to anyone and he's wearing a mask the whole time. They seem to only realize how young he might be during the fight on account of the fact that he won't shut up and calls Star Wars a 'really old movie', etc.
 
The Knappos said:
“Jeez Tony, how old is he?!”
“I didn’t carbon date him. He’s on the young side”

I paraphrase but he was openly called out on it.
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And? That's it? What about May Parker? After she learned that Peter was Spider-man, she never learned that Tony had recruited her nephew into a potentially dangerous fight in Berlin? She never learned how he had got Peter out of school in the middle of the day and had Happy drive him to the Avengers headquarters in upstate New York in order to recruit the kid? Without her knowledge?
 
Dee1891 said:
And? That's it? What about May Parker? After she learned that Peter was Spider-man, she never learned that Tony had recruited her nephew into a potentially dangerous fight in Berlin? She never learned how he had got Peter out of school in the middle of the day and had Happy drive him to the Avengers headquarters in upstate New York in order to recruit the kid? Without her knowledge?
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She pretty clearly accepted him being Spider-man. I'm sure, like any parent, she would have had a serious talk with Tony and Happy about whether she can trust them with her son. But there's no particular reason the audience ever needs to see that conversation.
 
Dee1891 said:
And? That's it? What about May Parker? After she learned that Peter was Spider-man, she never learned that Tony had recruited her nephew into a potentially dangerous fight in Berlin? She never learned how he had got Peter out of school in the middle of the day and had Happy drive him to the Avengers headquarters in upstate New York in order to recruit the kid? Without her knowledge?
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None of that mattered because "Spider-Man is in the MCU!!". No responsible parental figure would have an emotional state less than unfettered rage at the idea some motor-mouthed businessman took her teenaged nephew into a potentially deadly situation, whether superheroes were involved or not. Reactions of that kind were not be found in a sub-plot that was the equivalent of tossing action figures in a blender and set on high.
 
Dee1891 said:
And? That's it? What about May Parker? After she learned that Peter was Spider-man, she never learned that Tony had recruited her nephew into a potentially dangerous fight in Berlin? She never learned how he had got Peter out of school in the middle of the day and had Happy drive him to the Avengers headquarters in upstate New York in order to recruit the kid? Without her knowledge?
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I don’t mind when stuff which, whilst interesting, isn’t conducive to a satisfying, action based 2-2.5hr narrative happens in offscreensville.

She was clearly very angry at the end of Homecoming. And accepting by the start of Far From Home.

Now, if Marvel want to make a one-shot showing May’s confrontations with Peter and Stark, it’s their money to do with as they please, I’ll watch it.

Until they do, I’m going to do this weird thing called letting my imagination fill in the blanks. Especially when, this is Spider-man, there’s only one way those conversations end on a meta level so their dramatic tension and weight is actually negligible.
 
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The Knappos said:
I don’t mind when stuff which, whilst interesting, isn’t conducive to a satisfying, action based 2-2.5hr narrative happens in offscreensville.

She was clearly very angry at the end of Homecoming. And accepting by the start of Far From Home.

Now, if Marvel want to make a one-shot showing May’s confrontations with Peter and Stark, it’s their money to do with as they please, I’ll watch it.

Until they do, I’m going to do this weird thing called letting my imagination fill in the blanks. Especially when, this is Spider-man, there’s only one way those conversations end on a meta level so their dramatic tension and weight is actually negligible.
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Agreed 100%. I say this as someone who wanted to see said conversation after the Homecoming closing scene and was a tad disappointed when we didn't get it.

Is it a shame we didn't get it? Yes.

But is it a big deal to concern ourselves about? Not really.
 
Peter flat out stated in 'No Way Home' that the fallout of May finding out he's Spider-Man was "really messy". So I think they covered it as much as they needed to. One thing I appreciate about the Holland movies over the Maguire & Garfield ones is they they're not overly centred on overblown angsty melodrama. Not saying there's zero personal drama (wouldn't really be Spider-Man without it) but they don't artificially draw it out or drive wedges between characters to create conflict for the sake of conflict. What is there feels organic and meaningful. Spending 20 minutes of a movie having May and Peter bouncing off the walls at each other before coming to an inevitable understanding would have been neither of those things and utterly irrelevant to the story the movies were telling.

Honestly, this was very on-brand for the MCU too. I always took ending the movie like this, as kind of a nod to ending a certain other movie like this.
 
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Reverend said:
Peter flat out stated in 'No Way Home' that the fallout of May finding out he's Spider-Man was "really messy". So I think they covered it as much as they needed to. One thing I appreciate about the Holland movies over the Maguire & Garfield ones is they they're not overly centred on overblown angsty melodrama. Not saying there's zero personal drama (wouldn't really be Spider-Man without it) but they don't artificially draw it out or drive wedges between character to create conflict for the sake of conflict. What is there feels organic and meaningful. Spending 20 minutes of a movie having May and Peter bouncing off the walls at each other before coming to an understanding would have been neither of those things and utterly irrelevant to the story the movies were telling.

Honestly, this was very on-brand for the MCU too. I always took ending the movie like this, as kind of a nod to ending a certain other movie like this.
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It just sounds like the usual sloppy writing found in pop culture movies to me . . . the kind that many fans tend to make excuses for.
 
Per Mashable, Sasheer Zamata has joined the cast of Agatha: Coven of Chaos as Jennifer Kale. The article goes into her fascination with witchcraft long before being cast in this show:

Zamata's fascination with witches and their historical significance heavily inspired The First Woman, leading the comedian to explore themes of female autonomy, empowerment, and body positivity. Zamata says she was influenced by Kristen J. Sollee’s best-selling book Witches, Sluts and Feminists: conjuring the Sex Positive.

"[The book] talks about female sexuality and the history around it. Women's bodies have been demonized for so long, and it's still happening," Zamata explained. "Ultimately a witch is an independent woman. It's a woman who is a free thinker, in control of her womanhood, body, and life. I don't think that's a bad thing."

The First Woman highlights those who practiced witchcraft (you will never look at a broomstick the same way again) and those who were labeled "witches" simply because they did not conform to society’s patriarchy-created standards. Zamata even facilitates a judgment-free call-and-response discussion with women in the audience about the best household objects with which to pleasure themselves. She is undaunted by making the audience feel uncomfortable. "Part of a comedian's job is to go places that people may feel are taboo or touchy," said Zamata. "I'm in a place where I am very comfortable talking about my womanhood and womanhood in general."

Speaking of witches, Zamata is more than a little excited about her role as sorceress Jennifer Kale on the upcoming Disney+ series Agatha: Coven of Chaos. She feels this witchy storyline is very much on brand for her. "I had already written material for [The First Woman] before I went through the audition process," Zamata said. "It felt magical that I got to be in a show about witches. I talk about it so much in my special."
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Also of interest is some additional casting information for the show that I don't believe was previously known:

In Agatha: Coven of Chaos, Zamata stars alongside an impressive array of talent, including Patti LuPone as Lilia Calderu, Joe Locke as Billy Kaplan, and Miles Gutierrez-Riley as Billy’s boyfriend Hulkling. Aubrey Plaza will also appear as Rio Vidal, a new character created specifically for the series.
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I'm not familiar with Jennifer Kale, but as noted by the article, the character has connections with both Man-Thing and Howard the Duck and I imagine we'll see that connection with Man-Thing at some point.

Lastly, the article mentions that the series is now nine episodes long!
 
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I keep forgetting that we've already seen Man-Thing in the MCU (I need to rewatch the Werewolf by Night special). I'd definitely be up for seeing him in more stuff, and the Agatha show seems like it would be a good place for an appearance by a creature like Man-Thing.
 
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