Spoilers Secret Invasion grade and discussion

[Charles Phipps]

That's blatantly trying to have your cake and eat it. One doesn't get to have a socio-political drama with all the trappings of an allegory for current events and historical strife . . . and get to handwave away any responsibility on the messaging of said allegory by just saying "oh it's all just made up, so it's fine to make out the refugees are secretly the real baddies."
Pick a lane.

There's applicability and metaphor. Applicability is when you can use something to talk about something else, metaphor is when you have something standing in for something else. If the Skrulls are a bunch of racial supremacist people with British accents that used to loot other planets and establish vast dominions over them before collapsing, then you'd be hard pressed to use them as a metaphor for Syria.

 

[JD]

It had already been introduced.

"This universe is only one of an infinite number. Worlds without end. Some benevolent and life-giving, others filled with malice and hunger. Dark places, where powers older than time lie… ravenous… and waiting. Who are you in this vast multiverse, Mr. Strange?" - The Ancient One

(Not to mention that a multiverse of sorts is implicit in Endgame's time travel & timeline GPS scheme.)

OK, fair point. But it did at least set up the current multiverse story arc and introduce Kang. I was under the impression the whole reason the different universes in What If..., No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness, and all of the alternate Kangs in the post-credits scene in Quantumania existed or at least were accessible is because of the end of Loki Season 1.

The show's political bias is shown multiple times in the show even with the edits:

* The Refugees are the bad guys
* Fury says the Tucker Carlson guy is right some of the time
* Russia is being framed for evil
* The chief Skrull baddie is a man of color
* America is the put upon victim of Europe who questions its warmongering
* Torture Always Works
* The evil refugees' leaders are actually incredibly rich secret Zionist...Skrullos cabal. They just don't help their poor relatives.

I'd say this show is slightly to the right of 24.

I hadn't really noticed that, but as a Democrat, that is a little concerning. I hadn't really thought of the MCU really fitting into either political ideology, but looking at it that way, it definitely does in this case.

 

[Charles Phipps]

I hadn't really noticed that, but as a Democrat, that is a little concerning. I hadn't really thought of the MCU really fitting into either political ideology, but looking at it that way, it definitely does in this case.

The MCU vaguely leans leftward mostly when it's not inoffensively centrist but SI was noticeable for the fact it wasn't.

 

[JD]

That was what I thought, but I admit I'm not always good at picking up on that kind of stuff unless they blatantly have the characters supporting people like Trump or spouting off MAGA/QAnnon BS.

 

[Starkers]

The Honest Trailer is up

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[The Nth Doctor]

I haven't been a fan of Honest Trailers as of late, finding them a bit too scathing, but this one is pretty spot on (except the unnecessary digs at Captain Marvel and Ms. Marvel). I guess it helps that I was pretty scathing on this show, too.

 

[Set Harth]

The MCU vaguely leans leftward mostly when it's not inoffensively centrist but SI was noticeable for the fact it wasn't.

The leftward lean in TFATWS was not at all subtle.

 

[Charles Phipps]

The leftward lean in TFATWS was not at all subtle.

And yet from a very centrist, "Help the refugees and immigrants or they will TURN INTO TERRORISTS."

 

[Dee1891]

The MCU vaguely leans leftward mostly when it's not inoffensively centrist but SI was noticeable for the fact it wasn't.

You only noticed this in "Secret Invasion" and not in other MCU productions?

 

[Reverend]

I haven't been a fan of Honest Trailers as of late, finding them a bit too scathing, but this one is pretty spot on (except the unnecessary digs at Captain Marvel and Ms. Marvel). I guess it helps that I was pretty scathing on this show, too.

Negativity drives engagement more than the alternative. Honest Trailers seems to be going the same way as Cinema Sins. Something that started off light and playful, then gradually turned bitter and mean.

 

[The Wormhole]

While Honest Trailers can occasionally get carried away, at least they stay under or at least around ten minutes per video. Cinema Sins lost me when they started to in-depth analyses that at times could be longer than the movies they were talking about.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I never watched Cinema Sins but does sound like a slog.

Honest Trailers was a lot of fun when it was all about critical but loving ribbing. Like Reverend noted, they're becoming more mean-spirted and I don't like it.

At least we still have HISHE. I know some people don't like how it's become more slanted on the Superhero Café/Villain Pub setting, but it still works for me.

 

[Reverend]

While Honest Trailers can occasionally get carried away, at least they stay under or at least around ten minutes per video. Cinema Sins lost me when they started to in-depth analyses that at times could be longer than the movies they were talking about.

I don't think I stuck around long enough to encounter those, thankfully.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Honestly, antipathy towards migrants has been going on since the incursions of the Sea Peoples and the subsequent Bronze Age collapse in the Eastern Mediterranean between 1200 and 1150 BCE. Then there was the encroachment of the Tervingi Goths, fleeing the Hun, into the Eastern Roman Empire in 376 CE, the sack of Rome by the Visigoths in 410 CE and the end of the Western Roman Empire in 476 CE. No Skrulls were involved, as far as I'm aware.

 

[The Wormhole]

And now we've got the Pitch Meeting.

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[Asbo Zaprudder]

Well, that seems like nearly six hours of my life I can usefully spend doing something else instead.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Honestly, antipathy towards migrants has been going on since the incursions of the Sea Peoples and the subsequent Bronze Age collapse in the Eastern Mediterranean between 1200 and 1150 BCE. Then there was the encroachment of the Tervingi Goths, fleeing the Hun, into the Eastern Roman Empire in 376 CE, the sack of Rome by the Visigoths in 410 CE and the end of the Western Roman Empire in 476 CE. No Skrulls were involved, as far as I'm aware.

As Doctor Who said to the Brigadier saying that only the British could hold the doomsday codes, "Yes, because the others would be foreigners."

 

[Skipper]

And now we've got the Pitch Meeting.

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I love that Pitch Meeting is never really, really mean.

 

[Dee1891]

Well, that seems like nearly six hours of my life I can usefully spend doing something else instead.

I could say that about most of the MCU productions since Phase 3.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I could say that about most of the MCU productions since Phase 3.

The feeling I have is similar to when I gave up on reading DC and Marvel comics in the early 1970s. Everything just seemed like pointless rehashes, needless crossovers, ridiculous plotlines and generally poor storytelling. I'm sure there were some great issues after I gave up, but I'd burnt out. I chose to spend my time reading novels instead. I've mentioned elsewhere that the only good MCU movie of the past few years for me was GotG3. The Marvel TV shows have never been that great - Agents of Shield was the best and it was pretty mediocre at times - never absolutely terrible, but never particularly stunning either.