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Yes, that's also something I considered. Antonia was someone Kirk just met in passing who he wished he could have been with that he formulated an entire relationship with in the Nexus.
What is your personal head canon?
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What is more military? If you filmed TMP and TWOK with TOS uniforms what would be different? The characters don't act differently. The Enterprise gets a weapons and shields upgrade in TMP. The military lingo and command structure is the same.
Nick Meyer wanted it to look more naval, and Gene Roddenberry was furious enough with what they did with the TOS Movies that he went to his lawyer to have 15 minutes cut out of TUC. Which ended up going nowhere since he died two days after seeing an advanced screening.
I read a book by Yvette Fern, Gene Roddenberry: The Last Conversation, where he went so far as to say TWOK wasn't Star Trek.
It's probably more about optics. And the fact that Gene Roddenberry came to believe The Future would be non-violent. Then you have all the movies except TVH having traditional Bad Guys who need to be stopped. And eventually the TNG Era followed the same path.
He wasn't winning this battle. <-- Irony
There's probably also the soundtrack. James Horner's music in TWOK (and TSFS) sounds like "The Navy In Space!!!" and his style is very much probably not what Gene Roddenberry wanted. James Horner also went on to score Aliens, the most militaristic film of that series, complete with the Space Marines. And I suspect he really hated when TUC had such military hardliners in Starfleet who didn't want peace and conspired to keep it from happening.
EDITED TO ADD: The Space Program had past is peak from the Moon Landings, while Reagan was expanding the Hell out of the military. It's probably not a radical leap to conclude that Gene Roddenberry began to hate the idea that the only way Humanity could expand into space would be if the military expanded out to there.
In his own personal head space, Gene Roddenberry drifted pretty far from what he originally created. Probably another reason why when he created TNG, he wanted people not to look at TOS.
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She's his vision of the ideal woman - an amalgam of the best parts of all the women he loved, perhaps?
Interesting that Kirk has no kids in the Nexus, but Picard, who's always been uncomfortable around them, has five.
Interesting that Kirk has no kids in the Nexus, but Picard, who's always been uncomfortable around them, has five.
The recent death of Rene and Robert and him being the last Picard might have informed his Nexus fantasy.
Ah. Kirk, on the other hand, has lost all his children traumatically (Miramanee's baby died in utero because of her stoning, and David Marcus was killed by Klingons), so his perfect world is one where he has no children to love, fail, lose or miss out on their lives.
Good point and observation. Though I don't necessarily like that being the reason, mainly because it negates his brilliant "I need my pain" speech.
Kirk doesn't have to worry about keeping the line going, as his nephew Peter was still alive. (As far as we know, anyway. He was alive at the end of "OPERATION -- ANNIHILATE!".)
But he reserves the right to choose which pain he has, and how he deals with it. He hasn't forgotten David and his unborn baby, he just chooses not to imagine a future with more living offspring.
-Star Trek V did not happen
-DIS didn't happen
-Spock "Prime" did not end up in the Kelvin timeline, the old version of him there is a *insert technobabble* copy, and the original Spock came out somewhere else in his own timeline of the whatever rift
-Saavik always looked like Robin Curtis
-ENT "These Are The Voyages" didn't happen for the most part, Trip lived a long and full life
-Worf and Troi never had a fling
-DIS didn't happen
-Spock "Prime" did not end up in the Kelvin timeline, the old version of him there is a *insert technobabble* copy, and the original Spock came out somewhere else in his own timeline of the whatever rift
-Saavik always looked like Robin Curtis
-ENT "These Are The Voyages" didn't happen for the most part, Trip lived a long and full life
-Worf and Troi never had a fling
What, the Kelvin timeline takes place in the Nexus, and Spock Prime is a Nexus echo similar to Guinan's, since he's telepathic, too?
"TATV...(ENT)" is best treated as an historically-incorrect holoprogram written by people who didn't know the whole story. And also with about 40 minutes of the episode skipped over. 
In my head canon, Picard is Wesley's Step Father & Picard has 2x Wives (Polygamy is a common & legal thing in the UFP)
Picard is married to Beverly & Laris
Laris & Picard both later on adopt Elnor as their "Adopted Son".
So Picard would effectively be:
Step-Father to Wesley Crusher
Biological-Father to Jack Crusher (Jack will eventually adopt a Hyphenated Crusher-Picard sur-name)
Adopted-Father to Elnor, (Elnor will eventually adopt the Picard sur-name)
The 3x sons of Picard will go on wacky & fun adventures through-out time & space thanks to Wesley being a Traveler while still making time to come home & see "Mom's & Dad" at the Chateau.
In my Head Canon, Section 31 is a inverted version of the Alias TV series SD-6 and the larger SD organization.
Section 31 has a Section 0 that is "OverSight / Management" over the 31x seperate Section Cells that operate within & outside of UFP borders to make sure that UFP always wins, even if the enemy will play under-handedly or do evil things.
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Okay, but canonically Section 31 fucks up and needs Starfleet to keep up after its messes far more than we've seen it accomplish anything useful.
During the Dominion War, it creates the Morphogenic Virus that would've taken out the Changelings/Founders.
StarFleet / UFP was losing badly, thanks to S31, they had a path to victory.
S31 planted a Romulan Senator that would be favorable to the UFP and got rid of a Romulan senator that could've turned on the UFP.
Thanks to ST: Discovery, we eventually know that Romulans rejoin with Vulcans and become part of the UFP. It couldn't have hurt to have a pro UFP Senator on board to help the Reunification movement and to eventually get the Romulans to join the UFP down the line.
Those are big wins for the UFP in the larger Geo Political / Survival landscape.
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That's why Adm. Ross climbed in bed with them in "Inter Arma".
Exactly, that's why it's a Pro UFP move; yes, you had to use nasty/dirty methods to get the results, but it was for the greater good of the UFP.
That's why I call Section 31 a inverted version of SD-6 / Alliance of 12
I think that any large polity has to have a "behind the scenes" organization like S31, just like every body has to have a... ah, digestive terminus. It stinks, you keep it out of sight, and you don't want to talk about it... but it serves an essential purpose in ensuring the survival of the greater organism.
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