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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x09 - "Subspace Rhapsody"

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I loved this episode. 25 years ago I would've been in the "this is ruining Star Trek" crowd, but time goes by and we grow up (most of us do, anyway). Musicals aren't everyone's thing, and it's okay. But I sincerely hope that the people throwing Internet tantrums because something they don't like has the temerity to exist die mad about it.
 
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That was really childish, especially that 'grand finale' that came off like it was a PBS kids afterschool special.

However, I'll give them props for actually going there. For what this episode aimed to do, it did it.


This board tends to give out 10s for everything, even Discovery, but I think this episode will also play well with the larger current Trek fanbase. The majority of them seem like the types that would enjoy Rent and contemporary 'musicals' like it.

Personally, I thought this one was really cringy. However, objectively, I'll give them a 10 for effort.
 
TerryTrek said:
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That was really childish, especially that 'grand finale' that came off like it was a PBS kids afterschool special.

However, I'll give them props for actually going there. For what this episode aimed to do, it did it.


This board tends to give out 10s for everything, even Discovery, but I think this episode will also play well with the larger current Trek fanbase. The majority of them seem like the types that would enjoy Rent and contemporary 'musicals' like it.

Personally, I thought this one was really cringy. However, objectively, I'll give them a 10 for effort.
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525,600 minutes is how long I will enjoy this episode. It will be 525,000 moments so dear.
 
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AGENT YMALAY: I'm very disappointed in you, La'an. You told James Kirk about his other self. Now I have to clean up that mess. And in order to do that, either he or Captain Batel will have to die. Any ideas on that?

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LA'AN: All she does is eat and sleep and sing, wishing every row was the last row.
 
Contemporary in the sense of it not being Picard, Data and Worf singing Gilbert and Sullivan (that was pretty embarrassing for them as well).


IMC, interesting you bring up the Time Police. I'm getting the impression that's where this La'an Singh character will eventually end up. Recruited by them as an agent... so she's not around during Khan's return in TOS.
 
TerryTrek said:
picard-facepalm.gif


That was really childish, especially that 'grand finale' that came off like it was a PBS kids afterschool special.

However, I'll give them props for actually going there. For what this episode aimed to do, it did it.


This board tends to give out 10s for everything, even Discovery, but I think this episode will also play well with the larger current Trek fanbase. The majority of them seem like the types that would enjoy Rent and contemporary 'musicals' like it.

Personally, I thought this one was really cringy. However, objectively, I'll give them a 10 for effort.
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I agree the 10s are handed out way too loosely. But, hell, I gave this one a 10 for being fun and "going there."
 
TerryTrek said:
Contemporary in the sense of it not being Picard, Data and Worf singing Gilbert and Sullivan (that was pretty embarrassing for them as well).
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Gilbert and Sullivan was embarrassing. Subspace Rhapsody was fun. YMMV.



As for rating, I go with the way I'm entertained or engaged. I don't rate the episodes with a rubric. This season, for me, has been excellent. Much the way Picard season 3 was excellent for you. This is taking bold risks in the way stories are told and expanding character stories. It makes me care about these people and the journeys they undergo. This is what I want in my Star Trek. But again, YMMV.
 
Campe said:
Gilbert and Sullivan was embarrassing. Subspace Rhapsody was fun. YMMV.
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There were plenty of cringe moments in Subspace Rhapsody, it just depends if one is entertained by them or not.

And despite all of that, I still give it a 10 for effort. For actually going there.
 
We got both Dr. Korby AND Carol Marcus name dropped in the same episode along with Korby's nickname from his TOS episode. That's the kind of organic, naturally-developed, story-important fanwank a certain other Trek series needed a lot more of this past year.
 
TerryTrek said:
There were plenty of cringe moments in Subspace Rhapsody
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I suppose it depends on the definition of cringe. I did musical theater for years. Its something I love and until I made the choice to give it up, it was a passion of mine. (Its still something I enjoy but with a wife and two kids and a job that I love, it is not a priority in my world.) I appreciate the fact that the episode had a big wheel of cheese with it that's inherent with musicals. I don't deny that for a second.

But I've seen cringey shit on the stage.
I've been in cringey shit on the stage.
I don't know that I would call this cringeworthy.

But as with anything, to each their own.
 
Jedi Marso said:
He had the chance- he just chose a different road. Being a starship captain was his first, best destiny, not being a father. He admitted as much in TWOK:

Carol: "Were you there? Were you going to be?" Comments about Kirk's nomadic nature followed by: "I wanted him in mine."

Kirk: "I did what you wanted- I stayed away."

Implication: Kirk could have given up Starfleet, married Carol (according to Gary Mitchell, he almost did!), and raised David. And the universe would have died a couple of times.
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Late reply, but after Davids death I think he kind of grimly accepted that things turned out the way they always would for him..in ST5

"Other people have families.."
"Other people Bones, not us"

And in Generations
"When did Sulu find time for a family?"
"When something is important you make the time"

Being a father clearly wasn't in Kirks portfolio of skills
 
I don't care for musicals at all, never have. I wasn't very entertained with the singing here, but I did like how they use it in the plot and character arcs. The Klingon boy band was cringy, but entertaining. The green screen behind them was very obvious.
 
I feel like the Klingon bit ruined the gravitas if that moment for me. I’m actually a little surprised I feel like the only one who thought this. Not a bad thing, but I guess I’m in a minority on that one.
 
This was a ton of fun.

Just like the LDS crossover, they took a silly premise and then found ways to tie it into the emotional and character arcs in a way that is really well done. The fact that this comes at the close of the season to really pay off everything we've seen this year lets it have breadth and really draw on everything that these people have gone through.

None of the songs were super catchy or memorable, though I really enjoyed Chapel's and Spock's sort of response. Though the best songs in the episode were La'an's and Uhura's. Damn Uhura can sing.
 
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