Spoilers SNW and the Undiscovered Country

[Unimatrix Q]

Considering M'Benga's PTSD and his potential murder of Rah, I think it's very probable that he was part of the Federation/Klingon conspiracy in TUC.

Although peaceloving and a doctor, M'Benga may have hated the Klingons too much for what he had endured and have become to not become a part of this endeavor.

 

[fireproof78]

No, M'Benga wasn't a part of it.

 

[Campe]

Nah.

Kirk hated the Klingons for killing his son. With that logic, he should have been part of the conspiracy too.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Considering M'Benga's PTSD and his potential murder of Rah, I think it's very probable that he was part of the Federation/Klingon conspiracy in TUC.

Although peaceloving and a doctor, M'Benga may have hated the Klingons too much for what he had endured and have become to not become a part of this endeavor.

No. While he potentially may have murdered Rah I think he only hates Raj not Klingons.

 

[Sci]

Yeah, no. Joseph hated Dah'Rak because he knew he was an unrepentant war criminal who was getting away with his crimes and getting his ass kissed everywhere he went. That's very different from hating Klingons in general. In fact, the season premiere makes it very clear that Joseph often treated Klingon patients at J'Qal, and that one of the reasons he hated Dah'Rak is that Dah'Rak ordered his forces to kill innocent Klingon civilians.

Even if Joseph carried some anti-Klingon bigotry, he would no more have been part of the conspiracy than Nyota or Pavel or Jim.

 

[Okmyx]

No. Joseph would rather save lives than take them. It was Rah that was the focal point of his PTSD enraged hatred

 

[Mudd]

Considering M'Benga's PTSD and his potential murder of Rah, I think it's very probable that he was part of the Federation/Klingon conspiracy in TUC.

Although peaceloving and a doctor, M'Benga may have hated the Klingons too much for what he had endured and have become to not become a part of this endeavor.

That's not a reasonable inference. It's a fabrication.

 

[Noname Given]

Considering M'Benga's PTSD and his potential murder of Rah, I think it's very probable that he was part of the Federation/Klingon conspiracy in TUC.

Although peaceloving and a doctor, M'Benga may have hated the Klingons too much for what he had endured and have become to not become a part of this endeavor.

Don't think so, By your logic James T, Kirk should have been part of it as well given that Kruge had Kirk's son killed in cold blood. Even in the SNW episode - M'benga was really ultimately pushed by that Klingon to take the actions he ultimately did. He is very much trying to take a peaceful way out when possible, and I doubt he would condone the starting of another Federation/Klingon War, which was the goal of that group in TUC - get the Feds and Klingons fighting, and as I'm sure the Klingons involved saw it:
http://www.chakoteya.net/movies/movie6.html

CHANG: (in Klingonese) Better to die on our feet than live on our knees.

And we saw in the first episode of SNW S2 just how far M'Benga was willing to go to STOP another FED/Klingon War.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Yeah, no. Joseph hated Dah'Rak because he knew he was an unrepentant war criminal who was getting away with his crimes and getting his ass kissed everywhere he went. That's very different from hating Klingons in general. In fact, the season premiere makes it very clear that Joseph often treated Klingon patients at J'Qal, and that one of the reasons he hated Dah'Rak is that Dah'Rak ordered his forces to kill innocent Klingon civilians.

Even if Joseph carried some anti-Klingon bigotry, he would no more have been part of the conspiracy than Nyota or Pavel or Jim.

That's not a reasonable inference. It's a fabrication.

Don't think so, By your logic James T, Kirk should have been part of it as well given that Kruge had Kirk's son killed in cold blood. Even in the SNW episode - M'benga was really ultimately pushed by that Klingon to take the actions he ultimately did. He is very much trying to take a peaceful way out when possible, and I doubt he would condone the starting of another Federation/Klingon War, which was the goal of that group in TUC - get the Feds and Klingons fighting, and as I'm sure the Klingons involved saw it:
http://www.chakoteya.net/movies/movie6.html


And we saw in the first episode of SNW S2 just how far M'Benga was willing to go to STOP another FED/Klingon War.

Just following the discussions for this episode, because I haven't seen S2 for now, I had the impression that M'Benga was revealed to hate Klingons. Didn't knew that he also treated Klingon patients.

Thought his war experiences and background as a super soldier had the potential to make him a part of Cartwright's conspiracy.

Seems that I'm most likely wrong about this.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Maybe you should wait to theorize about an episode until you've actually seen the episode you're discussing.

 

[fireproof78]

Thought his war experiences and background as a super soldier had the potential to make him a part of Cartwright's conspiracy.

Only with no context.

 

[Mudd]

M'Benga was never a "super soldier." He just concocted a better mix of uppers to use in combat.

 

[Unnamed Caitian]

Kirk was hurt by one Kling who killed his son and hated all Klings
Benga was in a war with many Klings but hated only one

Logic in the 23rd century seems different

 

[fireproof78]

Kirk was hurt by one Kling who killed his son and hated all Klings
Benga was in a war with many Klings but hated only one

Logic in the 23rd century seems different

Logic is only as good as the information that supports it. One can be logical while being in error.

Kirk might well have taken his experience with Kor, and Kang, and Kras (In Friday's Child, I believe. And Kirk already wanted revenge then), as well as the experiences he had prior to "Errand of Mercy" since he tried to argue to the Organians that the Klingons are terrible. Kruge and his son's death were the last straw in a long list of experiences.

M'Benga had tried to move on, but came face to face with his exact past.

 

[Racefuel]

Kirk was hurt by one Kling who killed his son and hated all Klings
Benga was in a war with many Klings but hated only one

Logic in the 23rd century seems different

Trauma is unique from person to person.

Its emotional, thus irrational and logic doesn't really factor in.

 

[Mudd]

Kirk was hurt by one Kling who killed his son and hated all Klings
Benga was in a war with many Klings but hated only one

Logic in the 23rd century seems different

Different from what?

 

[Campe]

What’s a Kling?

 

[fireproof78]

What’s a Kling?

Warriors of Kling. It's a prog rock band.

 

[Campe]

Warriors of Kling. It's a prog rock band.

Oh, duh. I have their greatest hits. Their early stuff is amazing. But when their drummer went to Sto’vo’kor, they really started to go downhill.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Nah.

Kirk hated the Klingons for killing his son. With that logic, he should have been part of the conspiracy too.

I do think, however, that Cartwright was factoring that in when Enterprise was assigned to escort the Chancellor to Earth. Spock wanted it and arranged it, but it played perfectly into the conspiracy. I'm sure Cartwright figured (or at least hoped) that Kirk would blow Q'onos One clean out of space after the fight started, precipitating war. It would have been a win-win for Cartwright. Plausible deniability for him, and war with the Klingons. "Borrow a sword to kill another."- An old excerpt from "The Japanese Art of War."