Spoilers SNW and the Undiscovered Country

[Jedi Marso]

Considering M'Benga's PTSD and his potential murder of Rah, I think it's very probable that he was part of the Federation/Klingon conspiracy in TUC.

As I mentioned in the episode thread, the young Starfleet Ensign who was healed and sent back in with the SOF unit reminded me very much of a young Admiral Cartwright. It would have been interesting if they had made him that, and then let him live through those events. It definitely would have given him some motivation for joining the conspiracy in TUC.

 

[Noname Given]

I do think, however, that Cartwright was factoring that in when Enterprise was assigned to escort the Chancellor to Earth. Spock wanted it and arranged it, but it played perfectly into the conspiracy. I'm sure Cartwright figured (or at least hoped) that Kirk would blow Q'onos One clean out of space after the fight started, precipitating war. It would have been a win-win for Cartwright. Plausible deniability for him, and war with the Klingons. "Borrow a sword to kill another."- An old excerpt from "The Japanese Art of War."

No, Cartwright ALWAYS planned to make Kirk the Fallguy/Scapegoat. Everyone at that table knew Kirk's recent history and they were ALWAYS going to assasinate Chancellor Gorkon

 

[Jedi Marso]

No, Cartwright ALWAYS planned to make Kirk the Fallguy/Scapegoat. Everyone at that table knew Kirk's recent history and they were ALWAYS going to assasinate Chancellor Gorkon

Yes, they were always going to assassinate him, but how do you suppose they were going to make Kirk the fallguy, other than the captain being responsible for the crew under his command? Nobody knew he was going to beam aboard the Klingon ship and into Chang's hands for that show trial.

As for the assassination of the Federation president on Khitomer, Enterprise was supposed to be nowhere near there.

 

[fireproof78]

Yes, they were always going to assassinate him, but how do you suppose they were going to make Kirk the fallguy, other than the captain being responsible for the crew under his command? Nobody knew he was going to beam aboard the Klingon ship and into Chang's hands for that show trial.

As for the assassination of the Federation president on Khitomer, Enterprise was supposed to be nowhere near there.

Well, they already had the framing device set up. "Captain Kirk, are you aware that the captain was responsible for the actions of his crew." That accusation was ready, whether he went over to Kronos One or not.

The assassination was to ensure the war between Klingons and Federation occurred, so it would be a Klingon style assassination, and fall as retaliation for Gorkon's death and war would happen.

 

[Noname Given]

Yes, they were always going to assassinate him, but how do you suppose they were going to make Kirk the fallguy, other than the captain being responsible for the crew under his command? Nobody knew he was going to beam aboard the Klingon ship and into Chang's hands for that show trial.

As for the assassination of the Federation president on Khitomer, Enterprise was supposed to be nowhere near there.

It was setup so that it looked like the 1701 fired on the Chancellors ship. Whether Kirk was tried or not -- HE was always going to be the Captain responsible for the assassination because EVERYTHING that happens on his ship is his responsibility.