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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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eschaton said:
Disney has this perennial issue across all of its franchises now that they just don't want to commit to a villain protagonist or even an antihero. They feel like the MC of every story has to be presented sympathetically. Witness how they neutered Boba Fett, and made him boring. Or couldn't make Cruella actually evil. Or how more recent Disney/Pixar films (Encanto, Raya and the Last Dragon, Seeing Red, Strange World, etc) lacked any real villain at all.

I firmly believe if the Agatha Harkness show ever actually sees the light of day, she'll be morphed into a good character as well.
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That's something that's been going on long before Marvel claimed the throne. Popular evil characters are turned into anti-heroes/given redemption arcs because well, popular. Such as Sylar, Spike, Venom (from the comics), The Terminator, The Riddler/Catwoman (also comics).
 
eschaton said:
Disney has this perennial issue across all of its franchises now that they just don't want to commit to a villain protagonist or even an antihero. They feel like the MC of every story has to be presented sympathetically. Witness how they neutered Boba Fett, and made him boring. Or couldn't make Cruella actually evil. Or how more recent Disney/Pixar films (Encanto, Raya and the Last Dragon, Seeing Red, Strange World, etc) lacked any real villain at all.

I firmly believe if the Agatha Harkness show ever actually sees the light of day, she'll be morphed into a good character as well.
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Grendelsbayne said:
And I'm saying those are terrible examples for making that point.

Also not sure about the validity of the overall point, given Disney also has used multiple full on villains in their Star Wars content (Snoke, Moff Gideon, Vader, the Emperor, etc), tons of full on villains in their Marvel stuff, and even their other stuff is hardly void of villains (A Wrinkle in Time, for instance, or most if not all of their animated classic live action remakes).

Changes like Cruella or Boba Fett (or Maleficent) are not some kind of signal that real villains are on the outs at Disney. They're just a sign that Disney doesn't want to make a real villain the main star of a show/movie, which has pretty much always been par for the course with most studios, albeit with the occasional exception.
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(Cru)Ella and Maleficent might not have been the villains of their movies, but the movies themselves still had pretty nasty villains, Stefan in Maleficent, Ingrith in Mistress of Evil, and The Barroness in Cruella.
 
JD said:
(Cru)Ella and Maleficent might not have been the villains of their movies, but the movies themselves still had pretty nasty villains, Stefan in Maleficent, Ingrith in Mistress of Evil, and The Barroness in Cruella.
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Exactly. And there were actual villains in Book of Boba Fett, too.
 
Rich Watson said:
Though Ironically the main character was missing for a quarter of it.
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You mean two out of seven episodes? I guess you're right. Ironically, I still prefer "Boba Fett" over the Sequel Trilogy. By the way, Disney execs have been known to occasionally interfere in the Star Wars and Marvel productions.
 
JoeZhang said:
The writers?
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Rich Watson said:
Though Ironically the main character was missing for a quarter of it.
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Yeah, that was just strange. I still wonder how many people who didn't watch The Book of Boba Fett were really confused when The Mandalorian Season 3 started.
 
According io9's Morning Spoilers (I'd go to the direct source but it's a YouTube podcast with no transcript), Adam Driver turned down Fantastic Four because he "couldn't connect with the character" (presumably Reed):

According to host Jeff Sneider on the latest episode of The Hot Mic podcast, Adam Driver has purportedly turned down Disney’s offer to star in the MCU’s upcoming Fantastic Four movie.

This contradicts some stuff some we’ve put out there in the past, but…this comes from someone apparently working on the Fantastic Four movie. They said that Adam Driver was never really engaged in this. They sent Adam Driver the script a while back and he said that he couldn’t connect with the character on the page, and he passed very early on.​
 
I'd read the same rumor last month which also mentioned Margot Robbie turned down a role too.
 
Let's go cray-cray and talk about Marvel for a minute.

The "Loki" Season 2 trailer is out and yep, there's no getting round the Jonathan Majors situation. I think Disney are probably praying the strikes last long enough for the actors not to have to promote the show.

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