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Timeline proof.

Some people say they're all the same timeline. Others don't. If other shows follow what some showrunners say and "Rule one: The showrunner lies" - for which some do, some don't, some don't say anyhing, others misdirect but get to the same thing in the end... meh. Either which way. there's enough in headcanon for anyone to go either way.

I'll just enjoy any show for its own merits and ideas and haven't returned to the ones that didn't work as well. Most people seem do just that, and plenty dislike TOS and for plenty valid reasons too.

Wake me when they have two barnyard and/or bog animals going at it on screen and saying it's canonical and not a holodeck program being viewed. Everything else has been done, anyway. :razz::guffaw:
 
Serveaux said:
It's fiction. There's no "practical." There's a clear conceptual difference between those two fictional notions. At no point is the existence of other universes or parallel universes contingent on a predecessor.
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Conceptual but not logical. If every possible action in every combination causes an alternate timeline and every parallel universe exists in every combination then no matter what combination of events you are dealing with, it is the same as a parallel universe. So if it is the same as a parallel universe, does it still exist as a timeline or was it just the parallel universe where those events happened all along?

I think some people view parallel universes where events are 'changed' by time travellers as representing the creation of an alternate timeline but since time travellers can travel anywhere in time, everyone's present is someone else's past. Alternate timelines would be created everywhere everywhen. Time traveller on Andoria goes back to visit his grandfather creating an alternate timeline. Nobody outside his house notices but the universe is now different. It doesn't really make sense.

Andorian time traveller goes back in time to visit his grandfather in the parallel universe where he went back in time to visit his grandfather. Everything is going along just fine.

If you believe alternate timelines are their own thing then you weren't watching the same timeline at the start of the show as at the end because 17 billion time travellers travelled back from somewhere to somewhere in the past somewhere in your universe.
 
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Pauln6 said:
Conceptual but not logical. If every possible action in every combination causes an alternate timeline and every parallel universe exists in every combination then no matter what combination of events you are dealing with, it is the same as a parallel universe. So if it is the same as a parallel universe, does it still exist as a timeline or was it just the parallel universe where those events happened all along?
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Both and neither at the same time?

It is when you consider quantum branching at every 'decision point', or even 'point of conscious observation' of a momentary state (as in did the photon go through the right slit or the left one?) that the word infinite takes on its true limitless dimension.
 
Jedi Marso said:
Both and neither at the same time?

It is when you consider quantum branching at every 'decision point', or even 'point of conscious observation' of a momentary state (as in did the photon go through the right slit or the left one?) that the word infinite takes on its true limitless dimension.
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yes 17 billion time travellers was a gross under-estimation.
 
ProwlAlpha said:
Territorial is much too calm of a word. I imagine there wasn't a need to have to a digital vault of all the VFX works from the previous series especially ones from 20+ years ago. Perhaps if CBS/Paramount had an in-house VFX company or a production company devoted to Star Trek. Second Perhaps, what if the Roddenberry Vault was given that designation?
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as I mentioned before, according to the lead VFX guy for Picard season 2/3, they did have access to a lot of the old CG assets. They were just too old to use, and some were in such old formats that upconverting them would be a ton of work.
 
JcarlA said:
Beyond the producers/writers/creative team stating out of universe that Discovery and by extension Strange New World's "is in the prime timeline...", is there any on screen, i.e. in universe proof, that these shows exist in the same timeline as TOS, TNG, VOY, DS9. I don't accept the opening of "If Memory Serves" or certain events that happened in the prime timeline occuring or being mentioned in DSC or SNW, as proof, because we've seen that happen before in the Kelvin movies.
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There is absolutely zero proof.


There is only 1 timeline; TOS-VOY + movies 1-Nemesis. Everything else is non-canonic slop that started from enterprise and continues to this day, and the star wars inspired reboot films.
 
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Picard Season 3 is the best "TNG Movie" behind First Contact. People who hate the rest of New Trek have given it good reviews, including Robert Meyer Burnett, who's notorious for hating New Trek.

And a lot of people here, who seem to be crazy about SNW (a little too crazy), don't like PIC Season 3. And you know the people here. So if they don't like it, it might be worth the look for you.

If I had to rank them, it would go:

"The Best of Both Worlds" (yes, I'm including it, and I saw it at a theater-screening in 2013, when the Blu-Rays were released)
First Contact
Picard Season 3
.
.
.
Generations
Insurrection
Nemesis

All I'll say because we can't go into Spoilers for it here in this forum yet.
 
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Stewey said:
There is absolutely zero proof.


There is only 1 timeline; TOS-VOY + movies 1-Nemesis. Everything else is non-canonic slop that started from enterprise and continues to this day, and the star wars inspired reboot films.
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There is only one timeline: "The Cage". Everything else is non-canonic slop that started from "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and continues to this day.
 
It’s all canon to me! Multiverse canon, though of course we will always have the ‘prime’ timeline… :p

I think that Stewey should watch Picard season 3 and review each episode. I do not think that they would accept anything written by Terry Matalas as canon though, considering his involvement with…. Enterprise. :angel:
 
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Timofnine said:
It’s all canon to me! Multiverse canon, though of course we will always have the ‘prime’ timeline… :p

I think that Stewey should watch Picard season 3 and review each episode. I do not think that they would accept anything written by Terry Matalas as canon though, considering his involvement with…. Enterprise. :angel:
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Well, Terry Matalas was born in 1975, and being a Production Associate on Voyager during its last two seasons was his entry point into the Franchise. Hey, everyone has to start somewhere! And he probably liked the job security, especially in Hollywood. :p

If I were in his position, I would've taken it too.

Enterprise remains my least favorite Star Trek series and is the only one I out-and-out don't like as a whole. But I forgive Terry. He was very much an underling on ENT... and he gave us PIC Season 3.
 
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Lord Garth said:
He was very much an underling on ENT... and he gave us PIC Season 3.
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…and Terry also gave us zombie Vulcan’s! :D

I cannot remember what your thoughts about the episode Impulse were back at the time, @Stewey . Perhaps you enjoyed that episode though. I did. :shrug:
 
Lord Garth said:
Picard Season 3 is the best "TNG Movie" behind First Contact. People who hate the rest of New Trek have given it good reviews, including Robert Meyer Burnett, who's notorious for hating New Trek.

And a lot of people here, who seem to be crazy about SNW (a little too crazy), don't like PIC Season 3. And you know the people here. So if they don't like it, it might be worth the look for you.

If I had to rank them, it would go:

"The Best of Both Worlds" (yes, I'm including it, and I saw it at a theater-screening in 2013, when the Blu-Rays were released)
First Contact
Picard Season 3
.
.
.
Generations
Insurrection
Nemesis

All I'll say because we can't go into Spoilers for it here in this forum yet.
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I was put off as soon as I found out that there are story elements taken from the jj-verse movies.

Specifically, Romulus destroyed and the romulan refugee thing.

It is a red line for me for anything from the JJ-verse or enterprise to be woven into a show sporting the franchise label.

I did see a few screenshots of things happening in picard season 3 a while ago, but meh.
 
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