Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™

[Lakenheath 72]

The shot of the shuttle bay proves that the SNW Enterprise is larger than the TOS Enterprise, which is fine for me as I am treating SNW and TOS as two separate timelines with certain events shared in common.

And, we have seen in ST continuity how events can be forgotten over centuries. It is said in DIS that ships didn't travel beyond the galactic barrier and explore extragalactic space, yet we know from Aquiel that there was at least one ship which did explore beyond the galactic barrier.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Is it just me or is the shuttlebay different on the inside to the outside-looking-in shot? I'm sure I saw Kelvinverse-style racks of shuttles against the walls.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It fits into the hull of the 1450 foot-long ship perfectly, as it was designed to do. Try to keep up

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Dude, you edited that?

 

[passinglurker]

Dude, you edited that?

Do you think he'll edit the other cutaway if I point out that someone standing on the practical set would be shorter than the windows that dot the hull?

 

[DaveyNY]

Screen canon has been popularly rejected when it breaks continuity for no justifiable reason plenty of times before. So I'm confident in saying you two are entitled to your opinions.

Just remember that your particular "opinion" is no more valid than anyone else's.
So please stop presenting it as though it were Trek Gospel.
IT ISN'T and everytime you post stuff in that manner, you are always going to catch flack about it.

It's your personal Headcanon (and that's OK), but it doesn't fly if the producers of the shows say otherwise.
That means, in case this post isn't clear to you, that you don't get to pronounce what is and isn't valid for everyone else.

 

[The Doctor]

I need to rewatch but I feel like These Old Scientists had some particularly beautiful shots of the E with more clarity than normal. Usually the SNW shots are really busy and you don’t often get a good look at the E, but last episode was a nice departure.

 

[passinglurker]

Just remember that your particular "opinion" is no more valid than anyone else's.
So please stop presenting it as though it were Trek Gospel.
IT ISN'T and everytime you post stuff in that manner, you are always going to catch flack about it.

It's your personal Headcanon (and that's OK), but it doesn't fly if the producers of the shows say otherwise.
That means, in case this post isn't clear to you, that you don't get to pronounce what is and isn't valid for everyone else.

Spare me the lecture screen canon diehards jumped down my throat first, screen canon diehards edited cutaways to try to gaslight me first, I'll pronounce what I want cause it's evident I'll get flack no matter what I say.

That being said I never pronounced this as gospel, I said it was inevitable, much like how gene's efforts to decanonize past works inevitably didn't stick.

Screen canon is an admirable aspiration, but it's never truely been gospel in reality, making the mess make sense is part of the fun of startrek continuity, and for many folks like myself that is handled by assuming some visuals were fudged for dramatic effect, or due to tech and budget limits, but given enough time canon eventually evens this stuff out, and that's what I see this sizing business as, a statistical bump in the average of continuity.

 

[fireproof78]

but given enough time canon eventually evens this stuff out

How when it's all canon as shown on screen? What creates the line to "fudge" as it were in terms of drama?

I hear this all the time, and I clearly missed all the official meetings that determine ship sizes back in the day and what is deemed acceptable. Despite having the TOS Concordance and Trek Encyclopedia (both editions) I only had a passing idea of what the ship sizes were and none of it seemed very concrete beyond stuff outside the show itself.

much like how gene's efforts to decanonize past works inevitably didn't stick.

Well, that was really because he didn't have the power. Otherwise TWOK would be a footnote.

 

[Racefuel]

GR famously thought Star Trek ended at TMP and didn't resume until TNG S1

 

[MikHutch]

GR famously thought Star Trek ended at TMP and didn't resume until TNG S1

too bad considering what a slog TMP is

 

[Nerys Myk]

GR famously thought Star Trek ended at TMP and didn't resume until TNG S1

Yet still felt compelled to give “notes” to the makers of the subsequent films.

 

[drt]

The shot of the shuttle bay proves that the SNW Enterprise is larger than the TOS Enterprise, which is fine for me as I am treating SNW and TOS as two separate timelines with certain events shared in common.

The interior shot of the shuttle hangar in “The Galileo Seven” shows a larger TOS Enterprise by about 20-30% than the “accepted” size.

 

[Tuskin38]

, but given enough time canon eventually evens this stuff out,

No it doesn't.

 

[HotRod]

and for many folks like myself that is handled by assuming some visuals were fudged for dramatic effect, or due to tech and budget limits,

But.... the visuals haven't been fudged. The ship is 442m long.

I don't understand how it could be any more canon, shy of Pike stating it out loud. In every possible way, the ship is 442m long. The vfx model is scaled at 442m long. The visuals on the show, show it as 442m long.

It's literally written on the fucking wall.

No mistakes have been made.

Hell, they seem to acknowledge that they have to cheat a little to fit the engineering they wanted, but thats a drop in the bucket of cheats made in the sizing of Starships.

 

[HotRod]

No it doesn't.

I'd love for him to tell us how long a Bird of Prey is. Or the Defiant, for that matter. Hell, what's the diameter of DS9?

 

[passinglurker]

No it doesn't.

In the words of ortegus. Whatever tweaks your freak buddy.

 

[MikHutch]

I'd love for him to tell us how long a Bird of Prey is. Or the Defiant, for that matter. Hell, what's the diameter of DS9?

God, I wish I knew the exact length of the Klingon BoP

In my fairly unfounded headcanon, the Klingon and Romulan BoPs are 3/4 the length of the Constitution, the Excelsior, Galor & Vor'Cha are 3/2 and the Galaxy is twice the length. Miranda & Nebula are scared according to Const. & Gal., respectively. But I'm probably not exactly accurate

 

[Dukhat]

God, I wish I knew the exact length of the Klingon BoP

Because of the TNG producers' cheapness in not building new Klingon ship models and just reusing the BoP regardless of what scale the ship needed to be for the scene, there is no clear answer for this. Even the ship's first appearance in TSFS varied wildly in that movie alone.

 

[MikHutch]

Because of the TNG producers' cheapness in not building new Klingon ship models and just reusing the BoP regardless of what scale the ship needed to be for the scene, there is no clear answer for this. Even the ship's first appearance in TSFS varied wildly in that movie alone.

Exactly. And don't get me wrong: it's my favorite ship in ST and I enjoy seeing it return but the scaling has always been awkward

To say nothing of that awkward battle in Generations

 

[Tuskin38]

In the words of ortegus. Whatever tweaks your freak buddy.

But this isn't an opinion. No ship has ever been consistent from the inside and outside. Canon has never done it.