What would an Enterprise Prequel be like?
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It was probably just the first country that came to her mind.
Well the XCV-330...There's always another Enterprise
^This. Her exact words were:
The wording makes it clear that she just picked a random example and did not make a factual statement about Australia in the Star Trek universe that needs to be milked for yet another prequel.
It’s the 24th century. If she wanted to use an example, is it really such a stretch to suggest such a nation like Tanzania, Madagascar or Kazakhstan to be suggested.
As she suggested Australia, then something possibly happened for it to be of note for her to remember. For all we know, Australia was one of the first to move towards a United Earth.
In any case, I have my vision of what a pre-ENT show would be like. It not going to be your vision. If you strongly disagree with my ideas, write you own outline.
Besides, this is all spitballing anyways.
But is it such a stretch to use Australia as a random example?
To me the wording in that sentence indicates clearly that she used a random example: "say, Australia". That's something people say when they pick a random example.
If something significantly had happened in relation to Australia and planetary unification of Earth she would have said something like "What if the Independent Australia Movement had succeeded and it never joined the World Government?"
But she didn't.
Plus if she/the script writer had picked Tanzania as a random example instead of Australia, you'd now be here creating a nationalist storyline for Tanzania for your prequel and we'd be having the same conversation.
Yes! I know you didn't ask me, but it's unbelievable to me that Vulcans can be belligerent, rude and bigoted and then we're told to admire then in some fashion and that they would support Earth's efforts to explore out in to space more. Why should we encourage such portrayals of Vulcans just being complete jerks? Why would an alliance continue on if there isn't even a remote interest in mutual respect?
Indeed. I think there should be a mix of different attitudes within Vulcans and their attitudes towards humanity.
Truth be told King Lex was a bit hesitant to join.
But that's it, though. We automatically assume that when first contact occurs, not every nation will be onboard to unite under one banner. Heck, you have three nations, the USA, Russia and China, who absolutely don't want to get under one banner, the United Nations and a few other international government organizations, for a variety of reasons, beyond mere lip-service, which national sovereignty has to be yielded. So, while I agree that Dr. Crusher was using Australia as an example for her point, I seriously doubt that everyone will come together all at once. And that doesn't even begin to include the various non-governmental groups that would object to the idea of a one-world government, let alone one that may or may not be differential to an alien species.
True, but look it at it this way: humans are "rednecks" while Vulcans are "blue bloods". Discuss.
Not saying that everybody has to be on board with a United Earth Government right away, just that the hold-out shouldn't be Australia solely based on that one line.
Shitty writing that made for an awful show that over the decades has aged like a jug of milk left out in the summer sun?
No. Just show diversity of opinions even among aliens.
After four prequels, if we're gonna get a fifth one, I'd rather just see the Eugenics Wars already.
No stars. No trekking. Pass.
I just watched Broken Bow last night and I think a prequel series would have to include Henry Archer, right? Either that or focus on the boomers and then introduce Archer later on and let us see the Vulcans keeping humanity down over the years. Not really sure how exciting that series would be, but it seemed there were was something there that could have been told.
If you are going to imply that a state was reluctant to going a United Earth government, it does imply nationalism in involved.
Unless you want them to refuse to join because they believe in conspiracy theories about globalism.
It doesn't stop Vulcans from engaging in cowboy diplomacy or wanting to partake in redneck human activities. Or for humans to abandon their redneck lifestyle for a more blue blood lifestyle.
Well, I did state that I agreed that Dr. Crusher was using Australia as an example to make a point.
Also, considering that we're in the midst of the "neo-colonialism" debate, vis-a-vis Western relationship with Africa and Asia, on a host of different subjects, I do believe that if various human groups, government and otherwise, that is bordering on being "paternalistic", I can see Vulcans behaving the same way towards humans, considering their history with the Tellerites and the Andorians. Basically, I don't mind them being depicted as "culturally elitists" towards humans. STAR TREK has never been about Vulcans; it's all about how humans overcame adversity that resulted in the Vulcans accepting humans on their own terms, resulting humans gained their benefactor's respect, albeit begrudgingly. So, if Vulcans see humans as "rednecks" at the start of the human adventure, fine. The interesting part of that journey is how the Vulcans overcame their own bias THANKS to their interaction with humans. But, that's just my opinion, of course.
It seems logical that in the face of a common (extraterrestrial) threat, human instinct would be to band together (like in ID4).
Or, now hear me out on this one, there had just been a gigantic World War were whole nations and populations were being bombed out and there was a huge amount of mistrust still going on...because of the war.
I know, I know, call me crazy that such a little thing would get in the way of trust.
I think that goes backwards a little. Humans should also be overcoming things, and Vulcans presenting as a way to behave while also acknowledging the idea of multiple paths. Yeah, some might be culturally elitist (we see that in TOS too) but not all of them should be the "blue bloods" to the humans "red necks." A mix would be more appropriate, I think.
And if it's desperately need for the Vulcans to be that elitist, then they are going to come across as jerks and you got to deal with that. Or at least have a Prometheus type figure who is benefiting the humans in some way if elitism is preferred.
I like to think of Larry Niven's Known Space as bookending the Star Trek timeline. Gil Hamilton and the early Man-Kzin Wars fits between FC and ENT and Ringworld is what happens after. That's how I picture what before Enterprise would be like, and frankly, Enterprise: a period of rapid development and expansion that bridges the gap between our current technology and the sleek look of the later Enterprises.
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