Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™

[passinglurker]

I guess I differ because the Pioneer looks way Too much like the Constitution whereas the Miranda is more identifiable

I'd say the Pioneer's silhouette is plenty distinct from a Connie for identification purposes in fleet shot or action scene, and looking like it was kit bashed by merging Connie parts together is a feature not a bug to me, first cause it implies the two classes were essentially "made on the same tooling" which has grounded practical implications, and second it fits with the tradition with the Nebula, and Centaur also being shameless but still appealing kit bashes of thier respective larger stablemates.

Miranda meanwhile I feel fits best with Shangri La as its stablemate even if it calls for a bit of revisionist history because even though they aren't straight kit bashes of each other they're both made to that TMP era semi-elegant semi-boxy aesthetic from the start, and the cutouts on Shangri La's saucer roughly lines up with the shape of Miranda's box hull its just to much of a coincidence to pass up.

 

[MikHutch]

I'd say the Pioneer's silhouette is plenty distinct from a Connie for identification purposes in fleet shot or action scene, and looking like it was kit bashed by merging Connie parts together is a feature not a bug to me, first cause it implies the two classes were essentially "made on the same tooling" which has grounded practical implications, and second it fits with the tradition with the Nebula, and Centaur also being shameless but still appealing kit bashes of thier respective larger stablemates.

Miranda meanwhile I feel fits best with Shangri La as its stablemate even if it calls for a bit of revisionist history because even though they aren't straight kit bashes of each other they're both made to that TMP era semi-elegant semi-boxy aesthetic from the start, and the cutouts on Shangri La's saucer roughly lines up with the shape of Miranda's box hull its just to much of a coincidence to pass up.

By look similar I meant it has the same upright nacelles, vs the Miranda, Nebula, Centaur having them downwards

 

[Tuskin38]

I think this image is a little clearer:

https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x20hd/courtmartialhd025.jpg

I think for #5 the second digit is almost certainly an 8, but the third digit still isn't conclusive, but looks a bit more like a 6.

Yeah I can clearly see gap between the upper curve and lower curve.

 

[passinglurker]

By look similar I meant it has the same upright nacelles, vs the Miranda, Nebula, Centaur having them downwards

That's a fair point, but its not a rule that all kit bashes have to be arranged nacelles down, look at the New Orleans, and Springfield mini-galaxies.

 

[MikHutch]

That's a fair point, but its not a rule that all kit bashes have to be arranged nacelles down, look at the New Orleans, and Springfield mini-galaxies.

True. I guess it's just easier for me to recognize the Miranda shape than the Pioneer.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I wanna a see a Connie named "New Jersey" in the Discoprise style, just to mess with people.

 

[HotRod]

I wanna a see a Connie named "New Jersey" in the Discoprise style, just to mess with people.

Yes!

 

[DEWLine]

Which means that a Jeffries-ized, pre-transwarp-testbed Excelsior is a possibility. I'm cool with that.

Also, Radiant, and Shangri-La, please?

 

[MikHutch]

Which means that a Jeffries-ized, pre-transwarp-testbed Excelsior is a possibility. I'm cool with that.

Also, Radiant, and Shangri-La, please?

Isn't it too early for the Excelsior? I'm pretty sure it's stated to be a new ship in tSfS

 

[passinglurker]

Which means that a Jeffries-ized, pre-transwarp-testbed Excelsior is a possibility. I'm cool with that.

And then the monkey's paw curls a single finger...

I'm getting a federation ID code... NCC-2248... Its the Raging Queen...

but yeah jokes about the Curry class having the right nacelles aside really I think a proto-excelsior in the 2250-60's is probably a bridge to far.

Radiant I wasn't aware of but it looks like it would fit with the current SNW styling so I second the motion, lol

 

[DEWLine]

I look at the Atlas class from STO, and I think...that's one of the places where the Excelsior started.

 

[FederationHistorian]

he problems I see with trying to put Miranda/Soyuz in SNW though is...

1. If you have an existing TMP style ship asset show up pre kirk it could spark a lot of nerd rage as folks insist everything TOS era must look TOS in spite of how you work out the actual dates lore wise.
   
   
2. If you have a Jefferies class styled TOS/TMP hybrid show up there's less rage, but then its a unique asset and all the budgetary costs that come with that.
   
   
3. If you kitbash SNW or TOS nacelles and deflectors onto a TMP style Miranda asset to cheaply back port it then you just made PIC canonizing the Pioneer class asset redundant, and the Pioneer class loses opportunities for screen time to a ship that already has plenty of exposure in the 24th century.

So I guess pick your poison.

Or they use the Pioneer class in SNW, but still develop the Miranda/Soyuz with TOS nacelles for the show. And then use that Miranda/Soyuz model in tv movies or as a lost ship discovered in the future (25th century, 32nd century).

 

[MikHutch]

Or they use the Pioneer class in SNW, but still develop the Miranda/Soyuz with TOS nacelles for the show. And then use that Miranda/Soyuz model in tv movies or as a lost ship discovered in the future (25th century, 32nd century).

Lol i just want to see the Miranda with TOS nacelles

 

[Ronald Held]

Pioneer class is a 22d or 23d century design?

 

[passinglurker]

Pioneer class is a 22d or 23d century design?

Its a design STO cooked up for thier 23rd century expansion and PIC had it in the Starfleet museum.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Back around the turn of the Century I was playing around with an "in-universe" Trek website (which might still exist in some Geocities graveyard) and digitally kitbashed some "prefit" versions of a few 23rd Century ships

"Sister ship" for the Constellation

And a Connie that falls midway between an NX and the Cage version.

 

[BK613]

Lol i just want to see the Miranda with TOS nacelles

@Donny did a great version back in the day. Here's a link to the post with the orthos:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/donnys-tos-enterprise-interiors.212119/page-233#post-13076933

Fair warning: Perusing that thread will be a deep and wonderful rabbit hole.

 

[drt]

What’s funny is back in 1982 we were all 100% convinced that Reliant was refit from a TOS version.

 

[fireproof78]

Back around the turn of the Century I was playing around with an "in-universe" Trek website (which might still exist in some Geocities graveyard) and digitally kitbashed some "prefit" versions of a few 23rd Century ships

"Sister ship" for the Constellation

And a Connie that falls midway between an NX and the Cage version.

Funny story, mildly tangental. When I was 13 or so there was a Star Trek PC game. I took screen shots of the Enterprise, and used paint to edit a Miranda from. CONSTITUTION parts.

 

[Tuskin38]

@Donny did a great version back in the day. Here's a link to the post with the orthos:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/donnys-tos-enterprise-interiors.212119/page-233#post-13076933

Fair warning: Perusing that thread will be a deep and wonderful rabbit hole.

The design was added to STO shortly before he left Cryptic, so CBS could use it, maybe. Guess it depends if Donny signed away the full rights or just the ability to use it in STO.

https://stowiki.net/wiki/Legendary_Miranda_Multi-Mission_Cruiser

There's also a Variant based off 'The Cage' Enterprise