I think that we're meant to assume Pike only began their relationship after "The Cage."
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I think that we're meant to assume Pike only began their relationship after "The Cage."
I mean Batel isn't in the "present" scenes of Menagerie caring for a disabled Pike, following him to Talos to live out his retirement with him, etc.
Obviously you missed the great "Moon Over Rigel VII" discussion back on page 6.And there's no real canonical errors to debate ad nausum.
She could be dead.
Every time I don't see a moon I realize I've shifted in to a alternate timeline.Obviously you missed the great "Moon Over Rigel VII" discussion back on page 6.
Or just completely out of his life. Carol Marcus didn't show up during TOS and Antonia never appeared post-2284 and Kirk returning to Starfleet to be an instructor at the Academy. Sometimes love interests or former ones stay in the background and live their own lives or decide it's all over and thus never again appear in the hero's life.
I really enjoyed this one, maybe more than any of the others this season so far. We got to see the crew doing their thing together, overcoming the challenges of a hostile planet and a deadly form of radiation affecting their cognitive abilities, and parts of this were very evocative of TOS, right down to the gunfights and fisticuffs. It wasn't without its hokey moments, but it landed very solidly for me. Plus, it was good to have Pike back again.
I'm not feeling the Pike / Batel relationship, but that is just me.
The fate of Yeoman Zach is a loose thread with which much could be done later, given some thought and good writing. That was an interesting twist on the plot of The Cage, having him survive the initial mission only to go Ron Tracey on Rigel 7.
I'm not feeling the Pike / Batel relationship, but that is just me.
The fate of Yeoman Zach is a loose thread with which much could be done later, given some thought and good writing. That was an interesting twist on the plot of The Cage, having him survive the initial mission only to go Ron Tracey on Rigel 7.
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transporter misconduct and 'roid rage? Maybe chaotic good
Maybe it’s an open relationship because their careers keep them separated for so long.
Posting before reading the rest of the tread, but 'Broken Record Time' for me again:
Another 10 from me. Loved it. This series is really firing on all cylinders in Season 2 for me.
After 54 years they make an episode that both subverts expectations, and isn't another 'by the numbers' outing.
They show a society surviving from a horrific catastrophe and finding ways to adapt in turly horrible circumstances and still manage to make it touching in a way.
Comparing it to TNG's Conundrum does it a huge disservice because Conundrum WAS a 'by the numbers' episode with an ending that was so pat and predictable, you could skip it and loose nothing. This episode had some really good character moments and they tied everything nicely into Pike learning something deep about himself, and rally showed some nice character development with/for Pike. I also LOVE that it starts as a mission to 'fix' cultural contamination that Pike believes is a result of his last visit where he miscalculated; and further enjoyed the twist that a Yeoman he thought dead, survived and used what he had still there left behind to survive. The closest Trek came to doing something like this previously was with Captain Ron Tracy in TOS S2 Omega Glory; but even then, it's not quite the same as both Pike and the surviving Yeoman are more directly connected; and we know this one incident weighed on Pike very heavily.
About the only thing I found ridiculous was Number One (or Spock) NOT taking the ship out of range of the radiation once they believed proximity was the cause. THEN they themselves could have figured out both how to protect themselves AND retrieve the Landing Party...but yeah like classic TOS where the Transporter becomes disabled just because it has to for the story to work; OR they forget they have Shuttlecraft (I'm looking at you TOS S1 The Enemy Within where Sulu and others are freezing to death as Scotty calmly states it will take a week to fix the Transporter.)
Buy yeah, this is still Classic Star Trek at its finest.
Another 10 from me. Loved it. This series is really firing on all cylinders in Season 2 for me.
After 54 years they make an episode that both subverts expectations, and isn't another 'by the numbers' outing.
They show a society surviving from a horrific catastrophe and finding ways to adapt in turly horrible circumstances and still manage to make it touching in a way.
Comparing it to TNG's Conundrum does it a huge disservice because Conundrum WAS a 'by the numbers' episode with an ending that was so pat and predictable, you could skip it and loose nothing. This episode had some really good character moments and they tied everything nicely into Pike learning something deep about himself, and rally showed some nice character development with/for Pike. I also LOVE that it starts as a mission to 'fix' cultural contamination that Pike believes is a result of his last visit where he miscalculated; and further enjoyed the twist that a Yeoman he thought dead, survived and used what he had still there left behind to survive. The closest Trek came to doing something like this previously was with Captain Ron Tracy in TOS S2 Omega Glory; but even then, it's not quite the same as both Pike and the surviving Yeoman are more directly connected; and we know this one incident weighed on Pike very heavily.
About the only thing I found ridiculous was Number One (or Spock) NOT taking the ship out of range of the radiation once they believed proximity was the cause. THEN they themselves could have figured out both how to protect themselves AND retrieve the Landing Party...but yeah like classic TOS where the Transporter becomes disabled just because it has to for the story to work; OR they forget they have Shuttlecraft (I'm looking at you TOS S1 The Enemy Within where Sulu and others are freezing to death as Scotty calmly states it will take a week to fix the Transporter.)
Buy yeah, this is still Classic Star Trek at its finest.
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7/10 not bad but nothing that blew me away
yeah i'm pretty sure they're setting up for that and the cayuga is probably the ship that was wrecked in that season trailer
To the degree that you complain SNW rewrites/disrespects established canon; you sure enjoy citing all your non-canon sources.
Canon only matters when we want it to matter. Paramount should understand this by now!
This rebranding of 'helmsman' to 'pilot' has been subject to creep since TNG, and then exacerbated by Voyager and Enterprise, as well as First Contact. Roddenberry used to talk about Trek being 'Hornblower in space' among other things, evoking imagery of slow, graceful moving sailing ships. Hence the use of the term 'helmsman', which also has modern naval roots.
Then you see the episodes like "The First Duty" and "Chain of Command", which emphasize more traditional 'flying' skills more in line with aviation. (Riker being the only 'pilot' on board capable of flying that mission) In first contact, the flight of the Phoenix was very much a 'test flight' akin to Yeager breaking the sound barrier. Zephram Cochrane becomes not just the 'inventor' of warp drive, but the first warp drive test pilot, as well. Then there is Tom Paris aka Nick Lacarno aka Captain Proton. Helmsman? Yes. Pilot? Very much so. I think more than anyone else, Paris's character was the first true overlap of the two.
With Mayweather they return to the terminology of 'helmsman', but you still have Archer and his background as a 'test pilot' along with A.G. Robinson, once again pushing the limits of the 'warp barrier' in a program reminiscent of "The Right Stuff" and Edwards AFB back in the 1950's and 60's. Mayweather, and all other starship helmsmen and shuttle pilots, by extension, are 'pilots'.
So I think this is something of a natural evolution, and one I am okay with. I think the USN has rebranded its submarine helmsmen (planesmen?) as 'pilots', but I was an aviator, not a sub officer, so I'm not 100% sure on that. In modern Trek, the way we've seen the ships maneuver (much more like aircraft than sailing ships), I think the term 'pilot' is more appropriate, especially given that the ship's 'pilots' like Ortegas also get assigned to fly the smaller craft like shuttles. Which isn't to say that someone like Spock or the Scotty couldn't do it, but it isn't their specialization, and they would rely much more on AI computer assist and control.
Maybe they didn't want a redo of where Riker and Ro apparently got it on during their memory loss.
Although it might have been interesting if Spock and Chapel without memories did sleep together, sort of like the above mentioned episode or Data and Yar. Then they pretend it never happened, T'Pring finds out in a mind meld anyway, and she dumps Spock for Stonn.
Not at all. Ortegas has been Chapel's 'wingman' in the past (See SNW S1 Spock Amok). Their stopping and taking a small longer look at each pother didn't come across as a subconscious romantic attachment - more like they BOTH felt they knew each other more than either knew any of the others wandering around the deck. The small recognition came and went pretty quick.
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Oh, and a great idea to have Batel's ship named the Cayuga. A wonderful little nod to Rod Serling.
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