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Spoilers Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny grade and discussion

How do you rate Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny?


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Maverick was a much more feel good movie. Maverick has still got all his skills and a unequivocally upbeat happy ending. People felt good leaving the theater and told their friends, so the movie had legs.

Indy is much older than Maverick, so he can't rise to his previous heights. Then at the end he reunites with Marion, but their son is still dead and they are still living in a crappy NYC apartment. (What happened to his nice house from CS?) It just doesn't end strong.



If he'd stayed in bed they never would have found the first half of the dial. He wasn't even on their radar as a connection to the dial. At least in Raiders he saved Marions life (who would have probably been killed when the Nazis eventually tracked her down for the headpiece).

Fair points all. Though I figure that Indy let Marion keep the house. Since he's been at the college a decade, I presume he commuted in before he and Marion separated.
 
Maverick seemed to be the perfect storm for a box-office smash. Top Gun was one of the definitive 80's movies. It did not spawn a franchise, making Maverick a true sequel to the original (rather than "yet another" Top Gun movie). Tom Cruise is still viable as an action man; people were already raising an eyebrow at Ford's suitability as globetrotting adventurer in the prior outing 15 years ago.

Maverick also landed post-covid when people were itching to experience some normalcy again. Couple that with rave reviews, strong word of mouth and some damn fine nostalgia - Boom.

Disney's decision to premiere DoD at Cannes backfired, giving the media a solid month to report on a lukewarm reception. Add to that a growing trend of "wait and stream", more considerate spending in the current economy, weariness of Disney / LucasFilm products, mixed audience reaction and poor word of mouth - Thud.
 
Fair points all. Though I figure that Indy let Marion keep the house. Since he's been at the college a decade, I presume he commuted in before he and Marion separated.

The divorce timeline is hard to parce. Were they divorced yet or had he just received the papers to sign? He'd been in the apartment for a while, but had Marion's picture on the refrigerator, until he got the papers. I suppose he still held out hope for a reconciliation. How long ago did Mutt die? Its not clear.
 
I wish I knew how to explain why Top Gun Maverick, which by comparison is no where near as good as Indy 5, has been the enigma as far as blockbusters go. The movies appeal to the same age group. Did I enjoy Maverick? Yes. Did I go see it in the theater? No. Tom Cruise and Fast/Furious movies always seem to do well. Is it the dumb summer popcorn movie factor vs. a bit higher form of action movie? Maybe. Flash had it's own outlying problems, so I don't think we can add that to the discussion. I dunno.
It does seem like a weird thing. Even though I knew Top Gun was very popular, I didn't expect Maverick to explode like it did.

Hell, I'm technically I'm the target audience since I do enjoy fun popcorn flicks and I was in the Navy...and yet, I have zero interest in ever watching Top Gun, let alone its sequel.

The simplest answer is that your opinion as to the relative merits of the two films, while completely valid as that, is just not shared by the majority of the public.
I suppose that applies to me, too, since everything I just said and how much I loved The Dial of Destiny.

Maverick seemed to be the perfect storm for a box-office smash. Top Gun was one of the definitive 80's movies. It did not spawn a franchise, making Maverick a true sequel to the original (rather than "yet another" Top Gun movie). Tom Cruise is still viable as an action man; people were already raising an eyebrow at Ford's suitability as globetrotting adventurer in the prior outing 15 years ago.

Maverick also landed post-covid when people were itching to experience some normalcy again. Couple that with rave reviews, strong word of mouth and some damn fine nostalgia - Boom.

Disney's decision to premiere DoD at Cannes backfired, giving the media a solid month to report on a lukewarm reception. Add to that a growing trend of "wait and stream", more considerate spending in the current economy, weariness of Disney / LucasFilm products, mixed audience reaction and poor word of mouth - Thud.
As much as I hate to say it (not because of you, but the nature of what you said), I think you're right about both films.

That deeply frustates me, but nothing I can do about that except keep on enjoying The Dial of Destiny.
 
I give it a B+. Indy's final adventure is a fun one. Director James Mangold manages to keep consistent with Spielberg's style. The opening has some of the best deep fake I've ever seen. If I had a complaint I would have shortened the opening. That's really the only negative of the film. It needed to be tighter. I enjoyed the new characters, Indy's goddaughter and her friend. The villains were good. Some of the stunts did remind me of several Roger Moore Bond movies like Octopussy, The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only. The tall henchmen reminded me of Jaws. The Dial of Destiny is a much better film than Crystal Skulls and a more fitting note to go out on. Harrison Ford's Indiana Jones will be missed.

My ranking:
1. Raiders
2. ToD
3. TLC
4. TDoD
5. TKotCS
 
I thought it was fine. It dragged a bit, it probably would've been better if they edited down a couple of the chase scenes in the first half.
 
I wish I knew how to explain why Top Gun Maverick, which by comparison is no where near as good as Indy 5, has been the enigma as far as blockbusters go. The movies appeal to the same age group. Did I enjoy Maverick? Yes. Did I go see it in the theater? No. Tom Cruise and Fast/Furious movies always seem to do well. Is it the dumb summer popcorn movie factor vs. a bit higher form of action movie? Maybe. Flash had it's own outlying problems, so I don't think we can add that to the discussion. I dunno.

Maverick is Picard S3. Indy 5 is Picard S1/S2.
https://ca.startrek.com/news/the-humbling-of-admiral-picard

Both take completely different approaches to reviving an older 80s franchise and it's respective protagonist.

We'll see how majority audiences respond to having Indiana Jones being deconstructed and subverted in this manner, based on the word of mouth/box office.
 
I thought it was fine. It dragged a bit, it probably would've been better if they edited down a couple of the chase scenes in the first half.

"Fine" is exactly how I would describe it (I saw it this afternoon). The Tangier chase sequence lasted way too fucking long, and the Teddy character was absolutely painful in every respect. But I still had quite a bit of fun.
 
Seriously? If Mutt's death was that important to Indy's arc, I find myself wondering what led Mutt to join the Army in the first place.
 
Seriously? If Mutt's death was that important to Indy's arc, I find myself wondering what led Mutt to join the Army in the first place.
Indiana said Mutt did it because it would upset him and he wanted to stick it to his old man. Maybe he felt insecure and wanted to prove himself; his father fought in two World Wars, after all. Maybe his experience with Soviets trying to use alien, excuse me, extra-dimensional being technology made him a strong proponent of domino theory and he thought we needed to fight them over there so we wouldn't have to fight them over here.

Given that he's dead before the movie starts, all our information on his motives is vague and second-hand, so, suffice it to say, he volunteered, and wasn't drafted (I was wondering about Indiana's opinion on the war when he pretended to be being arrested for speaking out during the parade so the protesters would help him get loose of the goons taking him in, but I guess he really didn't support the war), and his parents disapproved of him joining up but he did it anyway (Indiana says it was because of that, but at the end of the movie, we learn he isn't necessarily the most reliable source about his own trauma).
 
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