I felt the same. I loved getting that little insight into Fury's childhood and it felt very real.
Spoilers Secret Invasion grade and discussion
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Something about this show's premise has been nagging at the back of my mind the whole time, and I've just realised why: as with the Falcon & Winter Solder show, we have refugees cast as infiltrators and terrorists. I feel like this is not a good look for Marvel, and not a terribly helpful trope in general.
Well he's certainly of the generation that would at least be very familiar with that kind of story, if not necessarily living it personally. Though yeah, the details seem specific enough that I wouldn't be shocked if he at least had some input there, and was drawing upon personal experience & memories.
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Yeah, that really bugged me with Falcon and the Winter Soldier but admittedly, the thought hadn't come up here yet. Maybe because I was so focused on the espionage elements that I allowed my preconceptions about the "secret invasion" prevent me from considering the immigrant aspect (hard to ignore after this episode).
Either way, I think you're right that it's a bad look for Marvel to double down on that trope.
What especially doesn't help is that in both instances, said refugees are objectively in the wrong, with very little grey area. With the Flag Smashers you have a bunch of people who's attitude was basically "the world was better when half of you were all dead, and how dare you try and reclaim your homes!" Then here we have a refugee population that has indeed escaped genuine persecution and genocide . . . but it's not as if their new host nation is mistreating them, or they're somehow forced to live as second class citizens because the "host nation" by and large doesn't even know they're there! On top of that; said refugees are habitually kidnapping people, stealing their lives, and in some cases living extremely comfortably . . . and that's apparently too demeaning so how about we irradiate 8 billion people?
I find this is often the problem when one tries to depict sensitive social issues in fantastical settings without fully thinking through the implications of the new context. 'Black Panther' has a similar problem that's a bit too involved to get into here; suffice to say that the further a story gets from the actual real world situation without shedding all pretence of allegory, the less relevant it is, and indeed the more counterproductive it can end up being.
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Is it odd in any way that Fury's wife goes into "human" form for him and hides her true self? Could there be a chance the audience was shown she is a Skrull and Fury doesn't know?
Also the dismembered finger reverting to Skrull form, does that mean blood tests can work? Like changelings in DS9.
Also the dismembered finger reverting to Skrull form, does that mean blood tests can work? Like changelings in DS9.
Olivia Colman's character visiting the Russian butcher shop/torture chamber was some damn funny stuff!
Not for that Skrull guy though
I was wondering about that, but given the non-reaction to the revelation, I'm expecting that either I missed her during the flashback at the beginning of the episode, or people are drawing on the idea that Skrull agents never drop cover if they don't absolutely have to, so if she was an imposter who replaced Fury's real, human wife, she wouldn't have been hanging out in her natural form while she was alone.
It could be the thing with him putting on the wedding ring when he came in was a sort of metaphor, that they're both changing from their public to their private personas (though her private persona requires changing her appearance, which I guess is a thing, but I feel like I'm stretching this metaphor a little further than intended).
Maybe, but I'm curious about why he tried to goad her into injecting his arm, specifically. Can Skrulls detach or regrow their limbs? Are they full of fake "human" blood that's isolated from their real blood they use to live, so they can get poisoned with impunity so long as it isn't in their torso?
Priscilla is the same Skrull who introduced Fury to young Gravik in the opening flashback. He definitely knows she's a Skrull which is part of the point.
I thought the second episode was an improvement. The pre credit scenes did a good job actually setting up the story and really they should have been in the first episode (or the clips from Captain Marvel should have been, at least.) The scene with Fury and Rhodey was good and Olivia Colman got a much better scene than in the opener. Emilia Clarke's character is the weakest link as she just kind of sneaks around looking sad (not blaming Clarke, she's underwitten.)
I'm guessing Fury and his Skrull wife took in young Graavik and see him as a son.
I'm guessing Fury and his Skrull wife took in young Graavik and see him as a son.
I mean, I had the exact opposite view. The Flagsmashers are victims of mass genocide and deportation. They didn't steal their homes. Their owners were DEAD and have been dead for five years. They are robbed of their homes, presumably without compensation, and then about to be stripped of their First World citizenship to be deported to nations they've already left and may be unstable.
If ever there was a case of, "We are justified in killing people trying to kidnap us and our children" this is it.
The fact Sam didn't seem to have an opinion on mass kidnapping and deportation before the series is kind of horrifying.
"Tell Me Something I Don't Know" seems like a dangerous road game.
"We've been at war with each other since we could walk upright! There is not enough room or tolerance on this planet for another species!"
And another building block slides into place for our incoming merry mutants...
"We did not end up homeless refugees because we were unwilling to wage war... we ended up homeless refugees because we were too willing."
There's a lot to unpack in that line...
And another building block slides into place for our incoming merry mutants...
"We did not end up homeless refugees because we were unwilling to wage war... we ended up homeless refugees because we were too willing."
There's a lot to unpack in that line...
I'm pretty sure she was the one who called the cops to their safe house.
Really enjoyed this episode.
Some big revelations in this one, like there being a million Skrulls on Earth, not a total shock, but still a big deal.
I was a little shocked that the Skrulls had managed to get into such high profile positions, that definitely ups the stakes for the fight against them.
I was really shocked the leaders of the Skrulls handed control of over to Gravik, I had assumed his group were a smaller fringe splinter group, and Talos represented the majority, but it looks like it might be the other way around.
Olivia Colman has been absolutely fantastic so far.
With his fight with Talos and the scene with Rhodey, it's clear they're really trying to isolate Fury, at least for now. I'm assuming at some point they'll all come together against Graavik and his people.
I'm assuming the stuff with DNA is setting up the MCU version of the Super Skrull, which I'm assuming will end up being Graavik.
It implies the Skrulls may not have been 100% blameless in the Kree War. Sometimes there are villains on both sides.
I don't actually remember the causes/stated causes for the Skrull/Kree war in the comics so this is entirely me guessing about the series.
I wonder if perhaps the Skrulls actually 'started' the war with the Kree by infiltration and the Kree's response was to decide EVERY SINGLE Skrull must die so that there can be none to ever pose as a Kree and cause whatever damage they caused again.
The MCU has never been that completely effective in portraying progressive issues in its productions. Also, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of the Skrulls deciding to invade Earth because Fury spent time in space, while having an extentional crisis. It's just so dumb to me.
Well! My jaw *literally* dropped as I watched Fury put on a wedding ring! I truly didn't expect that.
Olivia Coleman is scary.
The scene between Rhodey and Fury had a lot to unpack.
Olivia Coleman is scary.
The scene between Rhodey and Fury had a lot to unpack.
It seems that it's more that Fury has been using the Skrulls as his own private army and the Skrulls are embittered about it.
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