Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[The Wormhole]

Season 2 felt like they were saving money, by shooting it in modern day LA. I did not like seeing the actress who played data's daughter, play soong's daughter again.

I gather your not up to speed regarding all the various behind the scenes factors that forced season 2 to be the way it was? Basically, pandemic restrictions meant they had to do location filming do partly to the fact this show didn't have very many standing sets from the first season. Indeed, the new sets we see in the second season took six months to build and filming those scenes had to wait until the end as a result. Likewise, pandemic restrictions actually put a limit on how many actors they could have involved which is why some of them play multiple characters that season.

 

[Noname Given]

Yup, because contract. He was quite frank at a convention a while ago when someone asked why he claimed Nemesis was a good movie back then: "I lied." It's showbusiness. Actors have to promote the thing they're in before said thing is released. It doesn't matter if they truly think it's good or not. Once the hype is over they're usually free to speak their minds.

Yep and to keep people viewing and interested in PICARD S3; it may also be that they asked him to say: "One final film would also be nice..."

The man is 83 years old. And I believe he said he wanted to be able to do some more theater if he could. After three seasons of PICARD (which is what he signed for, and from all accounts they approached him about a season 4, and he declined) yeah I just don't see him jonesing to do another TNG outing.

 

[dcm]

I gather your not up to speed regarding all the various behind the scenes factors that forced season 2 to be the way it was? Basically, pandemic restrictions meant they had to do location filming do partly to the fact this show didn't have very many standing sets from the first season. Indeed, the new sets we see in the second season took six months to build and filming those scenes had to wait until the end as a result. Likewise, pandemic restrictions actually put a limit on how many actors they could have involved which is why some of them play multiple characters that season.

I dont care what the reason was behind picard's initial shittiness. I'd rather have them not put out a bad show at all.

 

[Campe]

How pleasant.

 

[fireproof78]

I'd rather TNG not exist.

Sorry, thought this was becoming random thought theater.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I'd rather TNG not exist.

Sorry, thought this was becoming random thought theater.

We should have an unpopular Trek opinion thread because that seems like one of those but I am interested in why you feel it should not exist.

 

[fireproof78]

We should have an unpopular Trek opinion thread because that seems like one of those but I am interested in why you feel it should not exist.

Stuffy and arrogant characters who don't really appeal to me.

I am being partially facetious, but mostly just reflecting the idea that not every Trek will appeal to everyone. That doesn't change that Roddenberry, Paramount and whomever owns the IP can do whatever they want with it.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Stuffy and arrogant characters who don't really appeal to me.

I am being partially facetious, but mostly just reflecting the idea that not every Trek will appeal to everyone. That doesn't change that Roddenberry, Paramount and whomever owns the IP can do whatever they want with it.

In hindsight I see a lot of that in TNG and that's why it's not one of my favourites. Too much stuffiness and the perfect crew which never made sense

 

[dcm]

Stuffy and arrogant characters who don't really appeal to me.

I am being partially facetious, but mostly just reflecting the idea that not every Trek will appeal to everyone. That doesn't change that Roddenberry, Paramount and whomever owns the IP can do whatever they want with it.

Yeah but we're the audience. Their IP solely exists to entertain us, so we buy products based off of that IP. If not then what's the point of on an IP? License it out to someone else instead and have them make money for you. Like george lucas did in the 90's with all those amazing star wars games.

P.S. I work in customer service. The number one rule we have is that the customer is always right. Because they spend the money. There are few if any exceptions.

 

[Tosk]

The number one rule we have is that the customer is always right. Because they spend the money. There are few if any exceptions.

Not a credo I subscribe to, but nonetheless...how exactly would that work when there is one product and many customers? They can't all be "right" at the same time.

 

[dcm]

Not a credo I subscribe to, but nonetheless...how exactly would that work when there is one product and many customers? They can't all be "right" at the same time.

Simple the customers who actually spend their money. Nothing more I hate than people who demand you make changes to a product and yet they dont buy. Because it ruins it for the actual customer.

To give a real life example: My school's cafeteria was pressured to change the menu by a bunch of vegan students. So every monday we went meatless. I stopped going there for monday lunch and hit up the local restaurants. More expensive yes, but tasty. The vegans themselves never showed up to support the cafeteria anyway, because they were already getting their food from a local vegan place. When the cafeteria dropped meatless mondays. The vegans threw a fucking shitfit. Their meatless options were still on the menu. Just nobody every bought it. The vegans wanted changes but never showed up to support said changes. In fact they made things worse for the rest of us too.

Please Note: I am not debating the morals or ethics of veganism nor a plant based diet. I've long conceded the point that vegans are morally superior. It's just that I like meat and there are no good meat alternatives yet to make me change my mind.

 

[Tosk]

Simple the customers who actually spend their money.

A customer by definition is someone who spends money. So technically a person who doesn't spend their money isn't a customer.

But I meant when it comes to TV. You mentioned it in relation to a TV show and I don't see how that could possibly work.

 

[dcm]

A customer by definition is someone who spends money. So technically a person who doesn't spend their isn't a customer.

But I meant when it comes to TV. You mentioned it in relation to a TV show and I don't see how that could possibly work.

I call people who demand changes and dont spend money as anti-customers. Because they drive away regular paying customers.

The customers who buy the merchandise of said tv show. If I dont like your show I'm not going to buy t-shirts and other stuff associated with the show. If tv shows dont use merchandise as a primary means of making money. Then by what metric can it be judged as successful? Number of eyeballs? You know those number cant be accurate. Nielson is behind the curve. Streamers only want one thing; to grow and retain subscribers. If a show doesn't bring in or retain subs than why make more of it? Isn't that why netflix drops a show after 2 or 3 seasons? Because the interest is tapped out.

 

[Tosk]

I don't mean to badger, but I don't see how that answers the question.

 

[Lord Garth]

P.S. I work in customer service. The number one rule we have is that the customer is always right. Because they spend the money. There are few if any exceptions.

I worked in retail for nine non-consecutive years (1997-2004, 2021-2023). I can tell you "the customer is always right" is bullshit. The customer is not always right. Employees just have to pretend they are.

 

[fireproof78]

P.S. I work in customer service. The number one rule we have is that the customer is always right. Because they spend the money. There are few if any exceptions.

Ten years of retail management experience. The second rule is people always lie and will not always spend what they say they will.

Third rule is you can't please everyone.

And finally even if I spend my money elsewhere I don't wish I product didn't exist.

 

[The Wormhole]

I work in customer service. The number one rule we have is that the customer is always right. Because they spend the money. There are few if any exceptions.

Yeah, no. I've spent close to two decades in retail. Platitudes like "the customer is always right" or "the customer pays your paycheck" might make for nice slogans when indoctrinating the newbies, but in the real world, it's never that black and white. Customers are wrong all the time and pretending otherwise is not doing anyone any favors.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

https://www.amazon.com.au/Generic-Picard-Season-DVD-Discs/dp/B0C5MBX84G/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=star+trek+picard+season+3&qid=1688184117&sprefix=Star+Trek+Picard,aps,307&sr=8-2

Described as Picard season 3 but I thought the release date was September for a physical release.

September 5 is the official date so how is this allowed? Is this pirated?

 

[Tosk]

Bootleg. "SELIMHAN SAHIN" is listed as manufacturer, and they claim it's from Australia but it clearly isn't. They're also selling Mando season 3, which has no disc release. Presumably they'lll be kicked at some point.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Bootleg. "SELIMHAN SAHIN" is listed as manufacturer, and they claim it's from Australia but it clearly isn't. They're also selling Mando season 3, which has no disc release. Presumably they'lll be kicked at some point.

I just reported it..... Not sure what good that will do because Amazon usually ignore reports