Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™

[Ithekro]

Constitution-class ships in the 16xx range
USS Intrepid NCC-1631
USS Potemkin NCC-1657
USS Excalibur NCC-1664
USS Exeter NCC-1672

There is also speculation on USS Republic NCC-1371 being a Constitution-class starship.

There is also the later USS New Jersey NCC-1975.

Know Constitution-class in the 17xx range
NCC-1700 *name unknown
USS Enterprise NCC-1701
USS Hood NCC-1703
USS Lexington NCC-1709
USS Defiant NCC-1764

And of course, USS Constellation at NCC-1017.

 

[137th Gebirg]

There is the USS Eagle NCC-956, but it was only represented by a Connie refit silhouette alongside other ships with the same silhouette, so its actual class is still debatable.

Yep. Some weird numbers on these charts...

And do these charts show relative ship sizes? Are we seeing mini-Connies here?

 

[DEWLine]

Wondering if Constellation 1974 was refitted from a later-build Radiant into a testbed ship.

(Also noting, the very next registry number after that is New Jersey 1975...)

 

[Tuskin38]

The Excelsior is represented by an Excelsior shaped graphic. And as I pointed out above Mike Okuda made the graphic, and said all Connies represent connies.

And do these charts show relative ship sizes? Are we seeing mini-Connies here?

I'm guessing it represents the lead of the group.
I don't think the Connie and Excelsior graphics are to scale.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I dunno... Some of the revisionist scale charts I've seen floating around here lately match up to those two ship sizes, with the Connie looking bigger relative to the Excelsior. I vehemently disagree with that new scaling that many folks seem to like, but it comes really close to what was shown on these TUC charts. Maybe these were the inspiration of the new scales. Stranger things have happened, I guess...

 

[Ithekro]

And do these charts show relative ship sizes? Are we seeing mini-Connies here?

Retcon them to refit Sombra-class?

 

[137th Gebirg]

IIRC, it was Dr. M'Benga who said that Sombra class ships were made out of Connie parts, so they technically should be the same relative size, but I guess it's possible that they could be somewhat smaller. The whole Sombra thing gives me agida, though. I'm personally convinced the writers invented the class specifically to destroy Connie-looking ships and show Connie-looking wreckage in the trailers/previews to make us think a real Connie, or possibly even Enterprise herself, has been destroyed. Then, only to be given the old, "Psych!! It's just another unnamed Sombra" bait-and-switch. Having a whole other class that looks ostensibly identical to Connies makes no sense to me, outside of preserving the "original 12" for dramatic purposes.

 

[Ithekro]

Odd about "Operation Retrieve" is that they aren't using USS Enterprise for the mission even though it should also be in the area, though maybe they thought the Klingons would be watching Enterprise (or Spock was already running silent and Starfleet was writing them off since they knew if Spock was off the grid, they wouldn't find her). Also that even though the operation did not go down, Captain Sulu went anyway, but ran into Kang and had to escape until such time as Spock and Kirk called for aid for Khitomer.

 

[fireproof78]

IIRC, it was Dr. M'Benga who said that Sombra class ships were made out of Connie parts, so they technically should be the same relative size, but I guess it's possible that they could be somewhat smaller. The whole Sombra thing gives me agida, though. I'm personally convinced the writers invented the class specifically to destroy Connie-looking ships and show Connie-looking wreckage in the trailers/previews to make us think a real Connie, or possibly even Enterprise herself, has been destroyed. Then, only to be given the old, "Psych!! It's just another unnamed Sombra" bait-and-switch. Having a whole other class that looks ostensibly identical to Connies makes no sense to me, outside of preserving the "original 12" for dramatic purposes.

The Miranda/Soyuz class say hi.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Odd about "Operation Retrieve" is that they aren't using USS Enterprise for the mission even though it should also be in the area, though maybe they thought the Klingons would be watching Enterprise (or Spock was already running silent and Starfleet was writing them off since they knew if Spock was off the grid, they wouldn't find her). Also that even though the operation did not go down, Captain Sulu went anyway, but ran into Kang and had to escape until such time as Spock and Kirk called for aid for Khitomer.

Enterprise was being recalled to Earth, with Enterprise using various excuses why they couldn't return.
I know that Starfleet probably knew that she wouldn't head back to Earth after what happened, but since Starfleet was officially trying to get the ship back to Earth, I don't think she'd be factored into the plans for the operation.

 

[DaveyNY]

And do these charts show relative ship sizes? Are we seeing mini-Connies here?

One could surmise that the size of the ship on the chart represents a group instead of one ship.
Perhaps a Connie with two or three other ships for support?

 

[Ithekro]

We know that at least four starships on the charts are not Constitution-class ships. USS Excelsior (Excelsior-class), USS Oberth (Oberth-class), USS Constellation (Constellation-class) and USS Lantree (Miranda-class). (USS Whorfin may also be something different)

USS Potemkin is a known Constitution-class starship, and USS Kongo is likely one as well.

USS Endevour, USS Republic, USS John Muir, and USS Helin are also likely Constitutions.

 

[Racefuel]

Kongo was listed on the Constitution fleet chart in TOS.

 

[137th Gebirg]

The Miranda/Soyuz class say hi.

No. The Miranda and ALL its variants (Soyuz, Lantree, Antares, etc.) are noticeably different from one another due to external physical differences. Since we really have no detailed analysis to the contrary, and based on what we've seen already, the Connie and Sombra are ostensibly identical externally. Internals are obviously different but we really don't know how. They used the same sets for the Peregrine that they use for Enterprise.

In fact, Memory Alpha says:

This class was built from the same components as the Constitution-class, and thus closely resembled that class both externally and internally.

In contrast to its sister class, the Sombra-class ships had a smaller crew complement of ninety-nine, and were known for being "fast". The Starfleet pennants of this class had a blue color. They had a larger bridge window than the Constitution class. (SNW: "All Those Who Wander")

So, aside from being fast (whatever that means), having blue pennants and a larger bridge window, they are essentially the same ship.

 

[fireproof78]

No. The Miranda and ALL its variants (Soyuz, Lantree, Antares, etc.) are noticeably different from one another due to external physical differences. Since we really have no detailed analysis to the contrary, and based on what we've seen already, the Connie and Sombra are ostensibly identical externally. Internals are obviously different but we really don't know how.

A roll bar is not enough of difference to me. This feels like more of the same.

 

[137th Gebirg]

You do you. Established facts dictate otherwise.

 

[fireproof78]

You do you. Established facts dictate otherwise.

I'm aware. Which is why Sombra bothers me very little.

Reminds of the Salidin and the Hermes.

 

[Ithekro]

Somba might have been the 23rd century California-class in purpose?

 

[Macintosh]

(USS Whorfin may also be something different)

Possibly the lead ship of the Whorfin-class. We saw two of them being destroyed in the Nexus in Star Trek: Generations, they're the ships the Enterprise-B was trying to rescue.

 

[Macintosh]

And do these charts show relative ship sizes? Are we seeing mini-Connies here?

Some are TOS/TMP scale, some are SNW scale