Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™

[fireproof78]

It's easy if you just don't take the fun flashback intro so dreadfully literally Nobody in-universe was watching that silly intro, it was a meta moment for viewers to connect the dots between two episodes of television. And it was good fun!

I'm sorry, it's not Star Trek to have fun.

And also, no I don't take Star Trek completely literally. It's there as drama first, not a documentary.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Not-Crossfield has the gaps in the saucer filled in similar to the very first teaser we got of the Discovery, at least on the wire frame model. Hard to tell in the actual episode

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

The Not-Crossfield has the gaps in the saucer filled in similar to the very first teaser we got of the Discovery, at least on the wire frame model. Hard to tell in the actual episode

If this new ship is a "true" Crossfield class, and if the only real similarities are the parts of the saucer that haven't been hollowed out, how was the Discovery still a Crossfield class? That would go far beyond a proper "refit".

I'm sticking with a theory I've had for a long time, the writers do these things to mess with us fans, knowing we're an argumentative lot.

 

[Noname Given]

If this new ship is a "true" Crossfield class, and if the only real similarities are the parts of the saucer that haven't been hollowed out, how was the Discovery still a Crossfield class? That would go far beyond a proper "refit".

I'm sticking with a theory I've had for a long time, the writers do these things to mess with us fans, knowing we're an argumentative lot.

The USS Glen was the first class type of Starship that the USS Crossfield was.

In other words the USS Crossfield from Discovery was a Glen-Class ship not a Crossfield-class ship. If you remember from the Discovery pilot; Stamets was always playing catch up to his partner that was doing the same type of Spore Drive testing on the USS Glen.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

The USS Glen was the first class type of Starship that the USS Crossfield was.

In other words the USS Crossfield from Discovery was a Glen-Class ship not a Crossfield-class ship. If you remember from the Discovery pilot; Stamets was always playing catch up to his partner that was doing the same type of Spore Drive testing on the USS Glen.

I see where STO has a 25th century Glenn class, but was the original Glenn or Discovery ever referred to as anything but a Crossfield class?

 

[Tuskin38]

The USS Glen was the first class type of Starship that the USS Crossfield was.

Nothing in Discovery said the Glenn was the first ship of the Crossfield class.

Also I was wrong, you can see the gaps in the space shots

But in the cave shots it's filled in

 

[Citiprime]

I'm not a huge fan of the new curved neck on the Enterprise, I liked the neck they had before. Obviously it's not a huge deal since it's difficult to even notice, but it's not a change that I think is for the better. It doesn't seem to me like a problem that needed solving, and making it curved makes it not match the shape language of the other in-between supporting structures (the nacelle struts).

The neck of the original Jeffries design was somewhat problematic, given that if you start with the dimensions of the ship that are generally agreed to, the neck of the Enterprise is ridiculously narrow (i.e., only 4-7 meters wide). Although, I'm not sure the Strange New Worlds/Discovery version of the ship solves that issue all that much.

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[Racefuel]

The SNW enterprise is both larger in demension but the neck is also thicker, even when scaled up, it's closer to 15-20 meters wide IIRC.

 

[Blackout]

The neck of the original Jeffries design was somewhat problematic, given that if you start with the dimensions of the ship that are generally agreed to, the neck of the Enterprise is ridiculously narrow (i.e., only 4-7 meters wide). Although, I'm not sure the Strange New Worlds/Discovery version of the ship solves that issue all that much.

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The scale thing is a whoooole debate unto itself
But to keep things short, the SNW size of the ship (which is clearly legible screen canon now) actually does improve a lot of the longstanding scale issues and generally makes more sense overall. (But nothing will ever sync up 100% because scale in scifi is always a mess.)

Nothing in Discovery said the Glenn was the first ship of the Crossfield class.

Also I was wrong, you can see the gaps in the space shots

But in the cave shots it's filled in

Maybe the spokes fell out during launch
Wasn't done yet but they saw the ship on sensors and thought "shit now's our chance let's go for it, this is good enough right"

 

[Macintosh]

Nothing in Discovery said the Glenn was the first ship of the Crossfield class.

Surely the Crossfield would be the first ship of the Crossfield-class anyway?

I think the assumption that the Glenn is older than the Discovery is based on its registration number being one lower (i.e. NCC-1030 vs NCC-1031). Which as we all know from starship registration numbers elsewhere doesn't mean anything.

 

[Ithekro]

I would think that Starfleet would haved used the Crossfield type as the baseline for Glenn and Discovery and kept them "officially" as that class as a way to keep the Spore drive a secret of sorts.

 

[HotRod]

I freakin' love The Enterprise. Look at that Beauty!

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Maybe the spokes fell out during launch
Wasn't done yet but they saw the ship on sensors and thought "shit now's our chance let's go for it, this is good enough right"

They tried that "excess energy cavitation" thing without reading the instructions.

Surely the Crossfield would be the first ship of the Crossfield-class anyway?

I think the assumption that the Glenn is older than the Discovery is based on its registration number being one lower (i.e. NCC-1030 vs NCC-1031). Which as we all know from starship registration numbers elsewhere doesn't mean anything.

I think the registry numbers do mean something as far as age and general launch dates, but 1030 & 1031 could have easily been launched (and also re-launched) at the same time.

I would think that Starfleet would haved used the Crossfield type as the baseline for Glenn and Discovery and kept them "officially" as that class as a way to keep the Spore drive a secret of sorts.

That's great, on paper. But as soon as anyone gets a look at them, they'll know something's up.

 

[Macintosh]

I think the registry numbers do mean something as far as age and general launch dates, but 1030 & 1031 could have easily been launched (and also re-launched) at the same time.

The Discovery is "impressive" and "new" in 2256 – even Pike says "I can see where the Federation puts its pennies" when he comes aboard in 2257, which seems a bit rich given how luxurious the DIS/SNW Enterprise is later shown to be! – whereas its registry number is much lower than that of the Enterprise, which launched in 2245.

Never mind that Constitution-class registries are all over the place, with NCC-9xx, NCC-10xx, NCC-16xx, NCC-17xx, NCC-18xx, NCC-19xx, NCC-20xx...

 

[Ithekro]

That's great, on paper. But as soon as anyone gets a look at them, they'll know something's up.

The Discovery is "impressive" and "new" in 2256 – even Pike says "I can see where the Federation puts its pennies" when he comes aboard in 2257, which seems a bit rich given how luxurious the DIS/SNW Enterprise is later shown to be! – whereas its registry number is much lower than that of the Enterprise, which launched in 2245.

Never mind that Constitution-class registries are all over the place, with NCC-9xx, NCC-10xx, NCC-16xx, NCC-17xx, NCC-18xx, NCC-19xx, NCC-20xx...

"On paper" is usually all one needs. How often would any other ship be expected to encounter either of the black ops starships outside of emergencies?

We also are not certain when the first Constitutions came out. We think USS Constitution was NCC-1700, but we don't know for sure. For all we know the original USS Constitution was NCC-950 and was lost prior to 2244, and an second one built of the same class later on (there were two Enterprise of that class). With the second one giving it's name to the update class of the 2270s (the Constitution II-class)

The addition of the Sombre-class and some of the "established" Constitutions not being of that class (USS Farragut) we can no longer be certain about some ships being what we thought they were.

 

[Tuskin38]

the only Connie we have the launch date for is the Enterprise herself, 2245.

 

[Macintosh]

We also are not certain when the first Constitutions came out. We think USS Constitution was NCC-1700, but we don't know for sure. For all we know the original USS Constitution was NCC-950 and was lost prior to 2244, and an second one built of the same class later on (there were two Enterprise of that class). With the second one giving it's name to the update class of the 2270s (the Constitution II-class)

Sure, but my point was that as the Enterprise with an NCC-17xx registry seems somewhat older than the Discovery with an NCC-10xx registry it clearly can't be the case that they denote the order the ships were constructed in.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

"On paper" is usually all one needs. How often would any other ship be expected to encounter either of the black ops starships outside of emergencies?

We also are not certain when the first Constitutions came out. We think USS Constitution was NCC-1700, but we don't know for sure. For all we know the original USS Constitution was NCC-950 and was lost prior to 2244, and an second one built of the same class later on (there were two Enterprise of that class). With the second one giving it's name to the update class of the 2270s (the Constitution II-class)

The addition of the Sombre-class and some of the "established" Constitutions not being of that class (USS Farragut) we can no longer be certain about some ships being what we thought they were.

Where does this "NCC-950" info come from? Or any Connie class registries outside of the 1700's (plus 1017)?

 

[Dukhat]

There is the USS Eagle NCC-956, but it was only represented by a Connie refit silhouette alongside other ships with the same silhouette, so its actual class is still debatable.

 

[Tuskin38]

Where does this "NCC-950" info come from?

They were throwing out a theoretical.

There is the USS Eagle NCC-956, but it was only represented by a Connie refit silhouette alongside other ships with the same silhouette, so its actual class is still debatable.

Mike Okuda, who made the chart, said they were all intended to be Connies.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Eagle#Background_information