Spoilers Is it possible that Chapel and Spock were in a romantic relationship during TOS?

[Mudd]

His former partner had a child and didn't want him involved, which was sad and made for good drama, but... "out of wedlock" is an antiquated notion that doesn't even matter here and now in the real world.

Wait 'til the parent with more property dies.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Spock: Christine, I have broken things off with T'Pring and I would like to ask you on a date.

Chapel: Sorry, engaged to Roger Korby.

Spock:

Leila Kalomi: Hi Spock, I hear you're pining over a blonde human woman. Well I'm a blonde human woman so that's close enough, let's go out!

Spock: Ok.

If I recall correctly, before Jill Ireland was cast, Leila was supposed to be of Asian descent. In the spirit of Robert April and Commander Hansen, I would have no problem if they made a similar switch here and actually didn't cast another white blonde woman in the role.

 

[Yistaan]

If I recall correctly, before Jill Ireland was cast, Leila was supposed to be of Asian descent. In the spirit of Robert April and Commander Hansen, I would have no problem if they made a similar switch here and actually didn't cast another white blonde woman in the role.

As an Asian myself who wasn't particularly immpressed with them changing Kyle's ethnicity to supposedly represent us (and giving him a role so small that literally feels like the textbook definition of "token"), I'd rather they just stick with what Leila Kalomi looked like in TOS.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

Wait 'til the parent with more property dies.

Yeah. There is that. I guess since I come from a bunch of poor artistic types who never have any money leftover at the end of the month, I kind of forget many people own things their children might fight over when they pass.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

As an Asian myself who wasn't particularly immpressed with them changing Kyle's ethnicity to supposedly represent us (and giving him a role so small that literally feels like the textbook definition of "token"), I'd rather they just stick with what Leila Kalomi looked like in TOS.

I really want her to be from Hawaii like her namesake Lilia Kalomi.

 

[Yistaan]

Eh, it just hit me that it's not Chapel or Saavik that Spock married (the wedding presumably being the one mentioned by Picard in TNG in regards to "Sarek's son")

It's Pelia.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I really want her to be from Hawaii like her namesake Lilia Kalomi.

Wasn't that in the original script? MA has the character being Eurasian and falling for Sulu in that draft.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

Bear in mind that the point of Spock's arc in The Motion Picture is that after his encounter with V'Ger, he realizes the value of emotion and rejects the idea that he must not experience feelings or chase Kolinahr. So it's entirely plausible that Spock and Christine might have resumed their relationship in the aftermath of the V'Ger incident.

Thank you. YES. Resumed their relationship.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

I could see Spock and Christine finally reconnecting after the TOS movies, perhaps in the wake of Kirk’s apparent death on the Enterprise-B. There’s even enough room in the timeline for them to get married and live out a life together, and for Christine to pass away of old age, before probably-Spock’s later marriage “a few years” before TNG.

Sarek's son married somebody in 2238. Why Picard is there I cannot imagine. 2238 is 69 years from the events of Season one SNW and almost fifty years from the events of Wrath of Kahn. If Spock married Saavik to "do the right thing" he sure took his time about it.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

I'm pretty much in agreement with this for the most part. There's room in the movie era for them to have reconnected after The Voyage Home, and she was present in the gallery during the courtroom scene at the end of that movie, so that could very well be where it takes place. My thinking is that if Spock and Christine had reconnected prior to his death, she would have had a more active role in the third and fourth movies. She surely would have been amongst the crew members toasting to "absent friends" in ST3, and would have had a role in stealing the Enterprise.

If she was commander of Earth Operations she cannot be on the Enterprise too. Now that we're on the subject of her command; it is really a very high ranking position. It's akin to being commander of NATO forces. Chapel really distinguished herself.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

I think it's kind of a lifelong flirtation/attraction or they have a one night stand at some point (I have zero interest in speculating when). Christine isn't that pathetic in TOS, the character is of course a product of her time, but Uhura flirts with him quite a lot too and he doesn't seem interested in her either. I think they purposely made all these women moon over him in TOS and had him often be oblivious (without realising they were insinuating a Spock/Kirk relationship in the process). Just sixties camp. SNW just takes TOS and gives it more depth, the kind of depth they couldn't manage in the sixties. I think it's a good take. I like the idea that he actually had real feelings for her and learned to repress them and be more Vulcan as he got older. Christine seems troubled and I could see her becoming more sedate after losing her fiance and getting older, still flirty but less heart in it.

Don't know why she seems troubled. It's a trope, I guess that everybody goes to a Starship to escape a painful past. Just for the record. Chapel's feelings for Spock are exacerbated by his telepathic instinctual reaching out to a woman he is attracted to. Fans put Chapel down for being "looney", "obsessed." "Immature" etc. I disagree. Leila was obsessed with him too and even T'Pring gives him the "adoration look" when she meets him. Gene wrote that Vulcan men have a strange effect on women. Amanda must have experienced this too. She adores Sarek even when he dismisses her feelings. She tells him she loves him anyway and he rolls his eyes and turns away. Vulcan men treat their women strangely, they say.

 

[fireproof78]

Nimoy would remark on the fan letters and art he would receive, including around Spock's attractiveness. He found it...odd, to say the least:

 

[Yistaan]

Sarek's son married somebody in 2238. Why Picard is there I cannot imagine. 2238 is 69 years from the events of Season one SNW and almost fifty years from the events of Wrath of Kahn. If Spock married Saavik to "do the right thing" he sure took his time about it.

The presence of the shuttle named Saavik in Picard seemingly implies that Saavik is dead but not necessarily (we have the USS Jimmy Carter in real life after all). Saavik is the same age as Tuvok, meaning she shouldn't look in any worse shape than he does as of Picard if she didn't die before her time.

She adores Sarek even when he dismisses her feelings. She tells him she loves him anyway and he rolls his eyes and turns away. Vulcan men treat their women strangely, they say.

TNG gave us https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Christopher_(Doctor) who was married to the Vulcan Science Academy director T'Pan. Considering how speciest the Vulcan Science Academy was shown to be in the 23rd century, they must've come a very long way in TNG if their director literally married a human man.

 

[Nyotarules]

The presence of the shuttle named Saavik in Picard seemingly implies that Saavik is dead but not necessarily (we have the USS Jimmy Carter in real life after all). Saavik is the same age as Tuvok, meaning she shouldn't look in any worse shape than he does as of Picard if she didn't die before her time.

TNG gave us https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Christopher_(Doctor) who was married to the Vulcan Science Academy director T'Pan. Considering how speciest the Vulcan Science Academy was shown to be in the 23rd century, they must've come a very long way in TNG if their director literally married a human man.

Only 50 years ago certain schools in the USA were legally separated by race. Social change can happen in one generation . If humans can do it, so can Vulcans.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

The presence of the shuttle named Saavik in Picard seemingly implies that Saavik is dead but not necessarily (we have the USS Jimmy Carter in real life after all). Saavik is the same age as Tuvok, meaning she shouldn't look in any worse shape than he does as of Picard if she didn't die before her time.

TNG gave us https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Christopher_(Doctor) who was married to the Vulcan Science Academy director T'Pan. Considering how speciest the Vulcan Science Academy was shown to be in the 23rd century, they must've come a very long way in TNG if their director literally married a human man.

I didn't mean that Saavik was in bad shape. I meant that 47 years from The Wrath of Kahn is along time to wait for that march down the aisle which is why I think Spock was with somebody else in those intervening years. Someone who would have been gone by the 2300s. That somebody could be Chapel.

 

[Sci]

Don't know why she seems troubled. It's a trope, I guess that everybody goes to a Starship to escape a painful past.

I don't know why you say she seems "troubled" except insofar as both Spock and Christine are troubled by their feelings for one-another. There's no indication that Christine is some kind of traumatized or troubled soul trying to escape a painful past. She didn't want a committed relationship with anyone until suddenly she did. That's not an indication of "trouble," it's an indication she wanted to be single before she fell for Spock.

Gene wrote that Vulcan men have a strange effect on women.

Which was sexist bullshit of him and we should ignore it.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

I don't know why you say she seems "troubled" except insofar as both Spock and Christine are troubled by their feelings for one-another. There's no indication that Christine is some kind of traumatized or troubled soul trying to escape a painful past. She didn't want a committed relationship with anyone until suddenly she did. That's not an indication of "trouble," it's an indication she wanted to be single before she fell for Spock.



Which was sexist bullshit of him and we should ignore it.

In this instance, I disagree. Vulcans are telepaths and that telepathy IMHO developed as a mating strategy.

 

[Batai]

I find it really hard to reconcile SNW with TOS. It's essentially a reboot, otherwise nothing short of an untreated mental breakdown would make the feisty, sharp Christine of SNW into the dull, simple Christine of TOS.

I know it won't happen, but I want Christine to ruin that Vulcan boy in SNW.

She could and be sorry for it later. That would explain their relationship in TOS perfectly.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Kinda shocked this one hasn't been bumped yet.

SNW has now done 2 amazing things I never thought they'd have the balls to do.

 

[Dar70]

Kinda shocked this one hasn't been bumped yet.

SNW has now done 2 amazing things I never thought they'd have the balls to do.

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