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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x01 - "The Broken Circle"

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Gilora said:
My formerly thuggish baby sister just got her BS in nursing. She's 5'9" and about 180 lbs. and could probably own a few people in hand-to-hand combat, but I think she would try to talk a belligerent down now as opposed to during the time of her wayward youth.

And that feeds into the part of this thread about how people can change. If you can't tell, I'm very proud of her.
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There's no chance of an ST burse or doctor being criminally charged in a TV show though. You can't really compare to real life.
 
I am also slightly annoyed how the stakes in the previous episode was "avoid war with the Romulans", the stakes is this episodes are "avoid war with the Klingons", and the big tease at the end was "avoid war with the Gorn".

Like, the only "big" stakes these nuTrek writers are capable of imagining are smashing thousands of starships and billions of people into each other. As if that wasn't already happening in every single other season in every other nuTrek show.
 
valden said:
Hello voodoowoman, nice to see you again, I did already mentioned this in season 1 , i think episode 7? that the way they are writing chapel is going to get more controversial and annoy some fans, i think you told me i was wrong but now we may be agreeing on something.

i will say though, many folks on trekmovie just said she should have been a new character. yes, it is also the strong female character trope that will end up be not logical anymore to the world, its like Rey all over again from star wars.






Hello voodoowoman, nice to see you again, I did already mentioned this in season 1 , i think episode 7? that the way they are writing chapel is going to get more controversial and annoy some fans in the long run, if this is still meant to be a young version of majel barrett's incarnation. i think you told me i was wrong but now we may be agreeing on something.

yes, it is also the strong female character trope that will end up be not logical anymore to the world, its like Rey all over again from star wars.




It was kind of reminisce of the last episode of star trek discovery, such sweet sorrow the final fight with emperor Georgiou and Leland, however that made sense was fitted with the characters. overall, this episode did give discovery vibes.

i wonder if the studio boss told the creators they need to make season 2 more actionish. we shall see.
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Well, Paramount tells us season 2 will be MORE so we should see MORE big space explosions and nonsensical shemale fights. Heck Uhura did the clever work in this episode. Discovery had this flaw. The pace was so frenetic I got motion sick watching it. Watch it SNW, slow down once in awhile and let us get to know these people.
 
Rahul said:
I am also slightly annoyed how the stakes in the previous episode was "avoid war with the Romulans", the stakes is this episodes are "avoid war with the Klingons", and the big tease at the end was "avoid war with the Gorn".

Like, the only "big" stakes these nuTrek writers are capable of imagining are smashing thousands of starships and billions of people into each other. As if that wasn't already happening in every single other season in every other nuTrek show.
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The season isn't going to be fixated on this one plot point, though. They can head off on a variety of different adventures before they presumably circle back round to it.

We're not going to have 8 episodes of laborious build up to The Gorn's convoluted plot against The Federation, only to discover it's really The Pakleds behind it all.
 
Jedi Marso said:
Hey, it's not unreasonable that Kirk had the intelligence, ingenuity, and physical capability to make the gunpowder and cannon to defeat the Gorn. That's why he's the goddamn captain! ;)

(There is a meme to this but I don't have it handy to post...)
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Wrong. We never saw him make gunpowder before. If he could do that, Gary Mitchell would have mentioned it. Captains aren't chemists. It was out of character.

If they wanted Kirk inventing gunpowder they should have made him a new character instead of doing violence to an existing one.
 
StarMan said:
The season isn't going to be fixated on this one plot point, though. They can head off on a variety of different adventures before they presumably circle back round to it.

We're not going to have 8 episodes of laborious build up to The Gorn's convoluted plot against The Federation, only to discover it's really The Pakleds behind it all.
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Your smart.
 
Serveaux said:
Wrong. We never saw him make gunpowder before. If he could do that, Gary Mitchell would have mentioned it. Captains aren't chemists. It was out of character.

If they wanted Kirk inventing gunpowder they should have made him a new character instead of doing violence to an existing one.
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They have demonstrated that Kirk was a historian though. It's feasible that he might have researched this as part of his hobby. He also transferred from security to command. It's feasible that improvised explosives are part of security training.
 
Pauln6 said:
They have demonstrated that Kirk was a historian though. It's feasible that he might have researched this as part of his hobby. He also transferred from security to command. It's feasible that improvised explosives are part of security training.
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That's why Security fails. They're trying to make explosives.

More on topic, why is Kirk can improvise gun powder indicative of prior security training but M'Benga and Chapel can't have combat training?
 
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Mr Awe said:
However, using an injection as a quick solution is lazy writing. I'd have vastly preferred a more creative solution. Inject with this magic solution to get out of a tough spot just doesn't cut it for me.
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I say 'efficient', not 'lazy'.

Serveaux said:
Wrong. We never saw him make gunpowder before. If he could do that, Gary Mitchell would have mentioned it. Captains aren't chemists. It was out of character.

If they wanted Kirk inventing gunpowder they should have made him a new character instead of doing violence to an existing one.
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This is a good post, Dennis. *applause*
 
Lakenheath 72 said:
The episode had two tropes I hate:
* the drinking game
* something happen in my past, but I don't have to go into it now

I am not interested in Pelia. She is a character with a mystery box past. Mystery boxes should be hanged, drawn, and quartered. It has become so obnoxious that now there is talk about re-doing the ending of The Empire Strikes Back, so we, the audience, can know how Luke's lightsaber got into the possession of the alien lady in The Force Awakens and how his hand had a role in the plots of evil people in the Star Wars universe. This is so they can answer the mystery boxes that have came up in the past or will come up in the future.
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Kurtzman comes from the school of jj abrams. You cannot escape the mystery box.
 
I liked the episode fine, with the partial exception of the Doctors Without Borders fight, and just a personal peeve but I'm totally sick of Ortegas' primary function on the bridge being snark.

Oh, and I was expecting to love Kane. But it may take some time. Simka from Taxi flashbacks. ;)

I'm pretty happy to see they've tweaked Spock even closer to looking just right. Begone, funky sideburns!
 
Looked at the episode this morning:

Likes:
-Special effects
-many of the action scenes
-more traditional Klingon design
-D7
-dealing with the aftermath of the Klingon War, including more backstory for M'Benga particularly, but also Chapel
-Broken Circle (could it be the seeds of the Khitomer conspiracy?)

Dislikes:
-Broken Circle. While I liked this idea, I would've liked to have learned more about them, and even why they are called the "Broken Circle. " I think there's something there and I hope the opportunity to explore them further.
-Not liking Spock's actions or behavior in this episode. He's too emotional and I don't like the love triangle they seem to be creating with him, Chapel, and T'Pring.
-Also didn't care for how Spock talked to Admiral April. I found it disrespectful and also uncharacteristic.
-Pelia. Not liking the accent or the acting thus far. Her backstory and species are intriguing though.
-The crew stealing the Enterprise. I wish they had not gone down this well-trod path and come up with another way to bend the rules, if not break them. Stealing the ship feels unearned, as well as them getting away with it.
-Setting up a war with the Gorn. I wish they had just created a brand-new species, or even used the Tholians instead.
-I would've liked to see them explain why the stimulant that M'Benga and Chapel were using hasn't been used before. It would've come in handy a lot on Disco, especially the first season. It's sort of reminding me of Into Darkness's magic blood.
 
DarKush said:
Looked at the episode this morning:

Likes:
-Special effects
-many of the action scenes
-more traditional Klingon design
-D7
-dealing with the aftermath of the Klingon War, including more backstory for M'Benga particularly, but also Chapel
-Broken Circle (could it be the seeds of the Khitomer conspiracy?)

Dislikes:
-Broken Circle. While I liked this idea, I would've liked to have learned more about them, and even why they are called the "Broken Circle. " I think there's something there and I hope the opportunity to explore them further.
-Not liking Spock's actions or behavior in this episode. He's too emotional and I don't like the love triangle they seem to be creating with him, Chapel, and T'Pring.
-Also didn't care for how Spock talked to Admiral April. I found it disrespectful and also uncharacteristic.
-Pelia. Not liking the accent or the acting thus far. Her backstory and species are intriguing though.
-The crew stealing the Enterprise. I wish they had not gone down this well-trod path and come up with another way to bend the rules, if not break them. Stealing the ship feels unearned, as well as them getting away with it.
-Setting up a war with the Gorn. I wish they had just created a brand-new species, or even used the Tholians instead.
-I would've liked to see them explain why the stimulant that M'Benga and Chapel were using hasn't been used before. It would've come in handy a lot on Disco, especially the first season. It's sort of reminding me of Into Darkness's magic blood.
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So basically you liked the continuity filler but not anything that happened in the story. That's too bad.
 
How do we know the stimulant hasn't been used before? This episode clearly shows that it has a history.

I have enjoyed the thought of Kirk juicing up before going to take on Khan in engineering as a way of explaining how he could hang with and get the best of a genetically engineered superman :)
 
Serveaux said:
So basically you liked the continuity filler but not anything that happened in the story. That's too bad.
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I guess you're right. I hadn't considered it that way. I want to really like Strange New Worlds, it has a lot going for it, I really like Anson Mount as Pike, and I like most of the rest of the cast as well. It has a lot going for it, but so far, just like in the first season, I don't like a lot of the stories. I bought Season 1 on Blu-Ray and when I started looking at some of the episodes again, I just found a lot of them pretty to look at instead of compelling. It's not even that the writing is that horrendous, it's just so much of it feels inconsequential. They aren't many that I would like to go back and look at again and again, and of that small number, one is the season finale which riffs off a classic TOS episode. And Season 2 is starting out that way for me.
 
Serveaux said:
So basically you liked the continuity filler but not anything that happened in the story. That's too bad.
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As we all know Star Trek only exists for continuity and nothing else.

Star Trek goals:
1. Maintain continuity at all costs.
2. Center on characters only seen in the past.
3. Philosophy.
4. ???
5. Profits.
6. Entertainment.
 
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