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Russell T. Davies Returns to Doctor Who as New Showrunner
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I think at the exact point black buckled boots, blue jeans, a white T-shirt, and a Schotts Perfecto Homage is a costume, it’s not pushing anything forward at all tbh.
The Marquis De Carabas, as portrayed by Joseph Paterson was still the best Doctor we never technically got anyway.
How dare different people have different opinions.
Can you clarify Capaldi's iconic singular look?
I think the difficulty is with the actor in the outfit. Matt would have looked uncomfortable and alien wearing that outfit (but acted like he was the coolest man in the universe), Ncuti will look cool and like he belongs wearing it. I'm not saying that one of those choices is better than the other, just that one feels more Dr Who.
This is the only outfit I've seen Ncuti wear where I didn't think he looked like the Doctor, but as I've said before it comes down to how he plays it and if he owns the role, as I think he will, I reckon he can probably get away with anything.
Same.
So iconic you had to look it up on Wikipedia? Doesn't seem very iconic if you couldn't remember it without looking it up.
I've seen exactly three episodes featuring the Twelfth Doctor, which is why I cited Wikipedia for an accurate description of his general 'iconic' look ('iconic' in this instance being a synonym for 'distinctly identifying, not 'instantly memorable').
Might be why you didn’t realise he doesn’t actually wear that outfit often or for very long. And describing it as iconic is a XL misnomer.
You should fix that.
This relates just to series 8 and 9, you'll note the last time the 12th doctor's 'iconic look' was seen was in Before the Flood, episode 4 of Capaldi's second season, The 'iconic look' didn't even make it to halfway through his tenure. This link is the top five also, 'cos there were others.
Series 10 featured several other looks as well.
But, you know, you've seen three episodes of Capaldi's era and you've researched using Wikipedia so what do I know?
It doesn’t matter that he pulled from wiki, even though Capaldi’s look was tweaked over a few seasons, it still for the most part was working to a theme of its own, and to the larger theme of ‘The Doctor’ and he wasn’t in completely different palettes and clothes four or five times in his first season.
Fundamentally, it was the same whenever he was for the most part as well. He’s probably the Doctor with the biggest ‘high fashion’ look until Ncuti.
Tom changed outfits about half a dozen times, but they were always along roughly the same lines established in Robot, with the biggest change coming in his final season — which was mostly about colour.
Baker changed costume details in Trial for plot reasons, and cat badge on the regular. Some of the Doctors have done the one off ‘period appropriate’ riff, and for some reason ‘The Tux’ has become a thing at various points as well, ever since Tennant had his photoshoot of an episode with Kylie. It is the exception rather than the rule, which is kind of the point.
The reality is that it is *obvious* from what we have seen that this *is very likely* a big change, and those people who do pay attention to the show over time recognise that. No one thinks the sky is falling, not even me. Making out it’s factually wrong that prior to *now* there was an intended cohesive look for each Doctor, and to an extent ‘The Doctor’ is not only objectively incorrect (records exist of the design process going back decades, for example it is well known Tom Baker’s was based in part on a Toulouse Lautrec illustration) but like some bizarre attempt at gaslighting to win an argument that *isn’t even really there* like it’s some bizarre ‘Not My Doctor’ re-enactment.
Some may think it’s a positive that Ncuti is to be a ‘clothes horse’ Doctor, some do not.
I think it’s a bad idea, that shows either someone hasn’t got their eye on the ball, or has their head turned in some manner. But we will see. RTD doesn’t always *know* the show as well as he thinks, and I would argue that Moffat has a better sense of that, which is why — despite Tennants enduring popularity, due in no small part to his continued involvement — I suspect the Matt Smith run is probably the height of Who’s pop culture presence and popularity.
Fundamentally, it was the same whenever he was for the most part as well. He’s probably the Doctor with the biggest ‘high fashion’ look until Ncuti.
Tom changed outfits about half a dozen times, but they were always along roughly the same lines established in Robot, with the biggest change coming in his final season — which was mostly about colour.
Baker changed costume details in Trial for plot reasons, and cat badge on the regular. Some of the Doctors have done the one off ‘period appropriate’ riff, and for some reason ‘The Tux’ has become a thing at various points as well, ever since Tennant had his photoshoot of an episode with Kylie. It is the exception rather than the rule, which is kind of the point.
The reality is that it is *obvious* from what we have seen that this *is very likely* a big change, and those people who do pay attention to the show over time recognise that. No one thinks the sky is falling, not even me. Making out it’s factually wrong that prior to *now* there was an intended cohesive look for each Doctor, and to an extent ‘The Doctor’ is not only objectively incorrect (records exist of the design process going back decades, for example it is well known Tom Baker’s was based in part on a Toulouse Lautrec illustration) but like some bizarre attempt at gaslighting to win an argument that *isn’t even really there* like it’s some bizarre ‘Not My Doctor’ re-enactment.
Some may think it’s a positive that Ncuti is to be a ‘clothes horse’ Doctor, some do not.
I think it’s a bad idea, that shows either someone hasn’t got their eye on the ball, or has their head turned in some manner. But we will see. RTD doesn’t always *know* the show as well as he thinks, and I would argue that Moffat has a better sense of that, which is why — despite Tennants enduring popularity, due in no small part to his continued involvement — I suspect the Matt Smith run is probably the height of Who’s pop culture presence and popularity.
D- didn’t read or comprehend the text, given to hyperbole, could do better.
And yet that didn't stop you from commenting on it when you could've simply said "Sorry, I haven't watched enough and therefore I'm not the best person to comment on this."
Rare though it may be for me to defend digific — we’re usually on slightly different sides vis-à-vis who if I recall after all — but he’s not wrong, is he? Iconic doesn’t mean ‘same every time’ does it? Even the ‘Iconic Long Scarf’ is about four different ones. Iconic means a symbol. The Tardis itself has changed whilst still being a police box as well… fundamentally, the Doctor is the same. Broken chameleon circuit.
When he’s wearing the same outfit as guest villains, and guest characters, in an outfit that’s become an iconic look for at least three other slightly-related things (Fifties youth, greaser/rocker, and from those too it was also a popular look in segments of the gay community — but it has been mainstream as well since the seventies at least) then it’s *possible* something has gone wrong.
The Doctor themselves is borrowing iconography, more fashion shoot than wanderer in the fourth dimension. And appears to be unusually sexualised by the standards of the character too, ironically. I’ve certainly seen more of Ncuti that I saw of Jodie — though not obviously Smith or Pertwee, who had a couple of bum gags.
Doesn’t sit well, but hey, the episodes aren’t here yet, and I guess we will see. Which is really all anyone is saying, and the alarm bells, cloister bell, metaphorically speaking, just seems to be getting a little louder of late. Might be nothing of course. Might be a mis-step. Might be fixed later if it is.
Again, you're judging out-of-context spy photos. But you do you and fret all you want. More power to you.
I will, later this year (I'm working my way through all of Modern Who in order).
This relates just to series 8 and 9, you'll note the last time the 12th doctor's 'iconic look' was seen was in Before the Flood, episode 4 of Capaldi's second season, The 'iconic look' didn't even make it to halfway through his tenure. This link is the top five also, 'cos there were others.
Series 10 featured several other looks as well.
But, you know, you've seen three episodes of Capaldi's era and you've researched using Wikipedia so what do I know?
Those are not different outfits; they're variants of the same outfit, both stylistically and aesthetically.
The First, Second, Third, Fourth, Ninth, Tenth, Eleventh, and Thirteenth Doctors also occasionally changed up their clothes but still maintained a distinctly and individually defined and definable look both stylistically and aesthetically, which, based on what we have seen thus far, does not appear to be the case with Ncuti's Fifteenth Doctor, and while some people might be okay with that, I personally find it disconcerting because it represents a significant change from what is and has nearly always been the 'norm'.
I have a hunch this might be RTD's favorite attire yet!Final costume for Series 14 revealed! Everyone happy now? (Is that an Auton he's sitting on?)
Idiosyncratic: It seems that the Twelfth Doctor didn't like cuff links in his sleeves.
I wasn't sure at first, but the more I think about it, the more I like the idea that the 15th Doctor may not have a "basic" costume. It kind of leaves you guessing just who this Doctor really is...
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