Not from what I’ve seen.
Kirk drift—misremembering a character…
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Indeed. One of my favorite shows after TOS. Has a tone I feel like I could live in.
So you have watched it? How many episodes before you gave up?
I’ll get lambasted no matter what I say. So I’ll just say I have seen nothing I’ve liked about SNW. The production design, the retconning, the general mindset and the pablum writing.
In the past I’ve suggested a Pike era series might be something I could get into. Yeah, well, this ain’t it.
Suffice to say I don’t go into the SNW forum just as I don’t go into the VOY, ENT, JJ, LW, DSC or PIC forums.
In the past I’ve suggested a Pike era series might be something I could get into. Yeah, well, this ain’t it.
Suffice to say I don’t go into the SNW forum just as I don’t go into the VOY, ENT, JJ, LW, DSC or PIC forums.
I applaud your consistency if nothing else.
So you haven't actually watched any of it?
No intention of lambasting anybody. Just trying to understand the nature of your objection, since on the surface your posts seem to contradict each other.
In any event, I suppose skipping it altogether is better than hate-watching it. That’s a phenomenon I will never understand.
Quoting myself because we dropped the thread's topic. I wish the last post on a page appeared on the top of the next page so that you remember what it said.
I've been seeing this a lot lately, with folks treating every line of dialogue as literally factual, even if a character's speaking figuratively, cracking a joke, being sarcastic or ironic, or even (gasp) saying one thing while feeling something else, or being in denial about their own reactions, or having different attitudes on different occasions, because human beings tend to be masses of contradictions and conflicting impulses.
It's as though every line is treated as an encyclopedia entry or a stat in a gaming manual, and the very concept of subtext or metaphor has been forgotten. Along with, perhaps, the idea that dialogue reflects the character's emotional state at that particular moment and should not always be as immutable as a mathematical constant!
I’ve often thought that too.
When someone makes a declarative statement (e.g. “Klingons do not____”) they are not stating objective reality but their own interpretation.
Did Spock do it with Leila Kalomi? Possibly because with the widespread effect of the spores there could well have been a whole lotta shaggin’ goin’ on. With Zarabeth?—Maybe.
Did Scotty do it with Carolyn Palamas? Probably not given she seemed to be just being polite with him. With Mira Romaine? More likely than with Carolyn I’d say.
Did McCoy do it with Yeoman Tonia Barrows? Possibly given they were on shore leave and she seemed to return his interest. With Natira?—I’d say very likely.
Did Chekov get some with Irina Gallalulin? Most likely in the past, but in the present it’s an open question, but I think not likely. With Tamoon on Triskelion? Not if he could help it.
Did Scotty do it with Carolyn Palamas? Probably not given she seemed to be just being polite with him. With Mira Romaine? More likely than with Carolyn I’d say.
Did McCoy do it with Yeoman Tonia Barrows? Possibly given they were on shore leave and she seemed to return his interest. With Natira?—I’d say very likely.
Did Chekov get some with Irina Gallalulin? Most likely in the past, but in the present it’s an open question, but I think not likely. With Tamoon on Triskelion? Not if he could help it.
And more and more often these days, in real life.
Yes, Yes, No, Maybe, Yes, Yes, No, Maybe.Did Spock do it with Leila Kalomi? Possibly because with the widespread effect of the spores there could well have been a whole lotta shaggin’ goin’ on. With Zarabeth?—Maybe.
Did Scotty do it with Carolyn Palamas? Probably not given she seemed to be just being polite with him. With Mira Romaine? More likely than with Carolyn I’d say.
Did McCoy do it with Yeoman Tonia Barrows? Possibly given they were on shore leave and she seemed to return his interest. With Natira?—I’d say very likely.
Did Chekov get some with Irina Gallalulin? Most likely in the past, but in the present it’s an open question, but I think not likely. With Tamoon on Triskelion? Not if he could help it.
I give the producers of SNW credit because they are making a real effort to get back to a TOS feel, and I think they do a good job with that. It does feel like TOS to me when I watch. There is a lot of retconning going on such that I don't consider it in TOS continuity, but I am content to watch it as a parallel universe as I did the Abrams Trek.
But writers do convey information they want the viewers to know through what the characters say. Sometimes characters say things that aren't true, but when that is the case, the writer lets you know it's not true. If a character says something, and we're not shown it's not true, I think you can take it that it's true.
I think people overstate this on both ends. Depends on what your definition of "womanizer" is but Kirk was certainly getting laid more than the average person. Maybe not so much in the first season where it's pretty much just Edith and Lenore, but they were pairing him off with a lot of guest stars in seasons 2 and 3 and you saw him being flirty with yeoman too a couple times so he might have had things going on on the ship.
The violating orders part probably is overstated sometimes (I wouldn't call him a "cowboy" I guess) and the JJverse certainly overdid it there. But Kirk still violates regulations more than any hero captain we've seen. So relatively it would be one of his distinctive traits.
The original intent for the Kirk character was probably different than what we ended up getting. With the "walking stack of books" like in WNMHGF they still might have been going more for an introspective Captain Pike type. But gradually it became more and more tailored to Shatner's performance.
The violating orders part probably is overstated sometimes (I wouldn't call him a "cowboy" I guess) and the JJverse certainly overdid it there. But Kirk still violates regulations more than any hero captain we've seen. So relatively it would be one of his distinctive traits.
The original intent for the Kirk character was probably different than what we ended up getting. With the "walking stack of books" like in WNMHGF they still might have been going more for an introspective Captain Pike type. But gradually it became more and more tailored to Shatner's performance.
Serious philosophy prof Kirk didn't have time for romance until Gary Mitchell made it his personal mission to matchmake between Kirk and a blonde. So we have Mitchell to thank, I guess.
By the way, Mitchell seems to have a thing for referring to people as inanimate objects. Kirk is "a stack of books with legs", and Dehner is a "walking freezer unit".
By the way, Mitchell seems to have a thing for referring to people as inanimate objects. Kirk is "a stack of books with legs", and Dehner is a "walking freezer unit".
Or an in universe dramatization of Pike's logs.
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