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The original intent for the Kirk character was probably different than what we ended up getting. With the "walking stack of books" like in WNMHGF...
... Gary Mitchell was describing Lieutenant Kirk, the Academy instructor, as seen from the viewpoint of someone who had been a student in one of his classes. That's never meant to be a definition of the character of Captain Kirk; it's one person's impression of that character at one early stage of his career.

"Stack of books with legs" is an example of a single line--almost a throwaway--being exaggerated into carrying far more weight than was ever intended.
 
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... Gary Mitchell was describing Lieutenant Kirk, the Academy instructor, as seen from the viewpoint of someone who had been a student in one of his classes. That's never meant to be a definition of the character of Captain Kirk; it's one person's impression of that character at one early stage of his career.

"Stack of books with legs" is an example of a single line--almost a throwaway--being exaggerated into carrying far more weight than was ever intended.
Except it was repeated in Shore Leave when Kirk described his young self as "positively grim".
 
But writers do convey information they want the viewers to know through what the characters say. Sometimes characters say things that aren't true, but when that is the case, the writer lets you know it's not true. If a character says something, and we're not shown it's not true, I think you can take it that it's true.

Some dialogue is meant to be expository, yes, but my impression is that too many folks these days seem to think that all dialogue is meant to be be expository and must be taken literally. Even with regards to emotional states and reactions. "But wait, she said she hated him, but now she loves him? That doesn't make any sense!"

And often writers may try to deliberately mislead the audience, the better to pull a surprise reveal later on. "Guess what, she's not really his sister; she's his wife!"

Which invariably runs the risk of confusing some viewers. "Wait, I thought she was his sister? I'm positive they said so earlier!"

Saw this a lot back when I was writing the UNDERWORLD novels. Those movies were perhaps a little too fond of "Surprise, everything you knew was a lie!" twists, which inevitably left some viewers behind.

"But . . . but Viktor said that killing an Elder would kill every vampire he created! Why didn't all the younger vampires die when he did?"

"Because that's what the Elders wanted the younger vampires to believe! They explained it was a ruse midway through the second movie, remember?"

A textbook example of viewers thinking that all dialogue is exposition, to be accepted as gospel, as opposed to words coming from the lips of specific characters in a specific contexts who are bound to have their own agendas and perspectives when dealing with others.
 
Except it was repeated in Shore Leave when Kirk described his young self as "positively grim".
And there, it was Kirk describing himself as an Academy Cadet / Midshipman -- so a snapshot of an even earlier place in time than Mitchell's impression of Kirk as an instructor. That, too, was never meant to define an overarching quality of Kirk as a character, but rather was used to succinctly describe a phase of the character's development.

Neither "stack of books with legs" nor "positively grim" would properly be applied to Kirk as captain of a starship.
 
When someone makes a declarative statement (e.g. “Klingons do not____”) they are not stating objective reality but their own interpretation.

Nicely and succinctly put. One individual's opinion should not be mistaken for a universal constant.

If somebody proudly declares, "No Andorian would ever surrender," that doesn't mean that "canon" is being violated if we see a different Andorian surrender at some point. Just means that not all Andorians react the same under every circumstances.

Complexity, contradictions, and subtext are things. In fiction, as in real life.
 
Some dialogue is meant to be expository, yes, but my impression is that too many folks these days seem to think that all dialogue is meant to be be expository and must be taken literally. Even with regards to emotional states and reactions. "But wait, she said she hated him, but now she loves him? That doesn't make any sense!"

And often writers may try to deliberately mislead the audience, the better to pull a surprise reveal later on. "Guess what, she's not really his sister; she's his wife!"

Which invariably runs the risk of confusing some viewers. "Wait, I thought she was his sister? I'm positive they said so earlier!"

Saw this a lot back when I was writing the UNDERWORLD novels. Those movies were perhaps a little too fond of "Surprise, everything you knew was a lie!" twists, which inevitably left some viewers behind.

"But . . . but Viktor said that killing an Elder would kill every vampire he created! Why didn't all the younger vampires die when he did?"

"Because that's what the Elders wanted the younger vampires to believe! They explained it was a ruse midway through the second movie, remember?"

A textbook example of viewers thinking that all dialogue is exposition, to be accepted as gospel, as opposed to words coming from the lips of specific characters in a specific contexts who are bound to have their own agendas and perspectives when dealing with others.
Clap. Clap. Clap. Clap.

Either you were super ranty and bouncing around all over the place gesturing wildly during that OR you were ice cold in you Spockian best like you were explaining to McCoy why he couldn't remove Decker from command on medical grounds. Win either way. (Yes, yes, you were typing at a keyboard. Leave us SOME illusion!)

EDIT: DAMMIT, did someone else use the word "Spockian" RIGHT before I did?!?
 
Clap. Clap. Clap. Clap.

Either you were super ranty and bouncing around all over the place gesturing wildly during that OR you were ice cold in you Spockian best like you were explaining to McCoy why he couldn't remove Decker from command on medical grounds. Win either way. (Yes, yes, you were typing at a keyboard. Leave us SOME illusion!)

EDIT: DAMMIT, did someone else use the word "Spockian" RIGHT before I did?!?

More like I've been thinking and talking about this for years now, even if I seem to be running into this sort of stubborn literalism more often lately. (Perhaps related to the increasingly pervasive tendency of posters to insist that their takes on this or that new work are "objectively" correct?)
 
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All it takes is one Youtube video, one mistaken interpretation published on a fan site, one reddit thread, one fanfic conflated with the show's portrayal, and voila. Instant urban legend alternate take adopted by everyone and his second cousin.
Lucille Ball battled the network to save Star Trek anyone?

That shit seems to be everywhere.
 
Lucille Ball battled the network to save Star Trek anyone?

That shit seems to be everywhere.
Alexander Courage never worked on Star Trek again after Roddenberry weaseled his way into the royalties.

From Snopes:

"Roddenberry's gain was Star Trek's loss. Courage scored only a few episodes of the series' first season before commencing work on the feature film Doctor Dolittle. Afterwards, associate producer Robert Justman was unable to secure Courage's composing services for Star Trek's second season, something Justman attributed to Courage's lingering disappointment over the royalty issue."

Arrrrgh! Never mind that he composed music for all three seasons AND did arrangements on Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
 
Arrrrgh! Never mind that he composed music for all three seasons AND did arrangements on Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

And may I say, Alexander Courage's second season library music was some of the best material they had. Kirk's "One Man with a Vision" music in "Mirror, Mirror" was Courage's, for instance.

Incidentally, I notice we have a guy posting as "Zapp Brannigan" now. I just want to say, that's not me.
 
How about tribbles being literally born pregnant? One throwaway line by Dr. McCoy in an obviously facetious tone, and to some fans it becomes canon.
 
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Who thought that?

Early on, he says:
I haven't figured that out yet, but I can tell you this much. Almost fifty percent of the creature's metabolism is geared for reproduction. Do you know what you get if you feed a tribble too much?
KIRK: A fat tribble.
MCCOY: No. You get a bunch of hungry little tribbles.

Later, after he learns more:

MCCOY: Yes? Did you want to see me, Jim? Don't look at me. It's the tribbles who are breeding. If we don't get them off this ship, we're going to be hip deep in them.
KIRK: Explain that.
MCCOY: The nearest thing I can figure out is they're born pregnant, which seems to be quite a time saver.
KIRK: I know, but really
MCCOY: And from my observations, it seems they're bisexual, reproducing at will. And, brother, have they got a lot of will.

Born with the potential to impregnate themselves when fed well.

People just take individual comments out of context, I guess, or fail to combine comments separated by scenes.
 
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