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Kirk drift—misremembering a character…

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That is to say, were any other Trek characters remembered wrong?
The only one that I can think of is Scotty being a heavy drinker. He's seen drinking in three episodes as far as I can recall, and to excess once in "By Any Other Name" when he drinks Tomar under the table.

Then he's hitting the green stuff hard in his only TNG appearance, building hidden engine room stills in the novels, etc.
 
Given Star Trek’s message of inclusiveness it’s nonsensical to insist on accepting “Turnabout Intruder” as an ironclad sexist message. It’s simpler and less problematical to accept Janice Lester’s viewpoint as bitter self-delusion. She sees Starfleet and Kirk’s rejection of her as a rejection of all women regardless of evidence to the contrary.
it's just a really stupid line best left on the cutting floor. Making Lester be dejected crazy delusional woman is just as bad.
 
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The only one that I can think of is Scotty being a heavy drinker. He's seen drinking in three episodes as far as I can recall, and to excess once in "By Any Other Name" when he drinks Tomar under the table.

Then he's hitting the green stuff hard in his only TNG appearance, building hidden engine room stills in the novels, etc.
It's not that he's around alcohol all the time, it's that when he is it's memorable. McCoy comes up with the cure for the condition that will drive them all mad and THEN kill them and Scott's first question is "Will it mix with scotch?"

Kind of like Kirk's obsessive love of the Enterprise came up just as many times. But then they based a movie off of it.
 
The only one that I can think of is Scotty being a heavy drinker. He's seen drinking in three episodes as far as I can recall, and to excess once in "By Any Other Name" when he drinks Tomar under the table.

Then he's hitting the green stuff hard in his only TNG appearance, building hidden engine room stills in the novels, etc.
Falls into the Celtic alcoholic trope/stereotype.
 
That bit of dialogue has been given a lot of weight, but it also doesn't make complete sense.
I think we can stop right here. I've never said "Turnabout Intruder" is anything but nonsense. I'll say it explicitly: "Turnabout Intruder" is nonsense, not only in what it says and necessitates about the role of women in Starfleet but also in other aspects as well, such as in ways pertaining to the mentality of security officers.

Turnabout: It's a bad episode which makes it fairly easy to dismiss. Nobody is mining The Alternative Factor for series defining continuity either.

But it seems clear that it was the writer's intent to say exactly what it said. There are lots of reasons to ignore this. I think chasing after "How do we make this make sense?" is a fruitless exercise, even for the likes of us.
Yes. This. Absolutely.
 
Given Star Trek’s message of inclusiveness it’s nonsensical to insist on accepting “Turnabout Intruder” as an ironclad sexist message. It’s simpler and less problematical to accept Janice Lester’s viewpoint as bitter self-delusion. She sees Starfleet and Kirk’s rejection of her as a rejection of all women regardless of evidence to the contrary.
Yes, yes it is. And it's more interesting from a character point of view when seeing how Kirk views the Enterprise.
 
When it comes to Kirk's love life, we need to remember the limitations imposed on old-time movies and TV when it came to actually showing or stating outright that two characters have sex.

Many Star Trek plots simply don't have time in them for anything to follow the discussions/kisses that we see onscreen. "Mirror Mirror" is a great example because not only do the two characters have to stop what they intend to do to deal with the tech problem of the episode, but also because Marlena actually explicitly complains that nothing more went on between her and Kirk at that moment. Some other episodes, though, do have plots that do allow time for things to happen off-screen.

I do see where you and others are coming from about "implying" being done in old shows, but that really only fits in a handful of Star Trek cases without altering the plot. I do not think anyone is really suggesting the audience is supposed to infer that the actual events of the story are directly different from what is seen onscreen. Would we be, for example, supposed to assume that "more" went on between Kirk and Marlena, even though that is directly contradicted by the pacing of the plot?

If the answer were yes, then defining a Star Trek "canon" would be impossible. Any onscreen moment, of any nature, could be inferred to be different than what is shown, based on what we think was "implied." Although there is no real reason any single viewer could not to view the show this way, if one is seeking to create a consistent storyline across many episodes you have to start somewhere, and taking what's onscreen as "what actually happened in-universe" is about the best one can do to get consistency. If not, then modern visual storytelling getting more and more "explicit" just fuels any current show-runners' claim that "Our version is the most correct!"

Now that I think about it, this phenomenon I just described may well explain the "character drift" of the original poster. To name a few: Kirk's life, the level of tech used on the Enterprise, Starfleet's policy--all would look very different, depending on if your lens is what was actually shown onscreen during TOS, or if your lens is, "An old show could not spell it out--here's what REALLY happened!"

Nobody is mining The Alternative Factor for series defining continuity either.

This is an interesting choice of episode for your example, given that this is one of the episodes I have mentioned as having scenes that may have implied Uhura is in command, but just not actually shown it.
 
A lot of weight is given to Kirk acquiescing to Janice Lester’s accusation that Kirk’s world of starship captains has no room for women. Well, Kirk knows Lester well and when you’ve dealt enough with someone irrational you know it’s useless to argue with them no matter how wrong you know they are.
 
How do they kill each other if they are not together?

Text and emojis. :brickwall::mad: A remote toxic relationship interspersed with in-person time together. She wouldn't have wanted to kill him (likely) if they had stayed together, undivided by her inability to work things out, her womanhood, and everything else she thinks stands in their way.
 
I think we can stop right here. I've never said "Turnabout Intruder" is anything but nonsense. I'll say it explicitly: "Turnabout Intruder" is nonsense, not only in what it says and necessitates about the role of women in Starfleet but also in other aspects as well, such as in ways pertaining to the mentality of security officers.

Sorry I was not clear, I didn't mean your comment specifically, but rather how much those Janice Lester lines come up over and over again.
 
A lot of weight is given to Kirk acquiescing to Janice Lester’s accusation that Kirk’s world of starship captains has no room for women. Well, Kirk knows Lester well and when you’ve dealt enough with someone irrational you know it’s useless to argue with them no matter how wrong you know they are.

We also have some odd dialogue right before Janice's accusation...
KIRK: What's wrong with her?
COLEMAN: Exposure to radiation.
MCCOY: What form of radiation was it?
COLEMAN: Nothing I've ever encountered.
(Janice wakes up)
KIRK: Janice, you must remain absolutely quiet. Those are doctor's orders, not mine.
SPOCK: Captain, tricorder picking up very faint life readings. Approximately seven hundred meters from here. Help will have to be immediate.
MCCOY: Perhaps your presence will quiet her.
(McCoy, Spock and Coleman leave)
JANICE: I hoped I would see you again.
...
So was Kirk told by McCoy before beaming down to keep the patients "absolutely quiet"? Did Kirk agree to everything Janice said to prevent them from getting into a long winded argument?
 
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I think he means stay calm and don't speak - don't work yourself into a panicked frenzy, save your strength. Something medical professionals/first responders often tell patients who are in bad shape.

The wording can play into her paranoia about being ignored/silenced/disrespected for her womanhood, but it wasn't his intention.
 
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